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Sub bass monitors, needed or not?????
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etnarama
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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 23:31
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 00:18
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well i'm not specifically familiar the mentioned samson model, but working with a lot of bass is tricky-
if you know how good sound should be heard so don't worry about it and enjoy the fun of the extra bass, BUT if you still new in sound producing be carfull not to put too much bass in the mix as the subwoofer will allow you to go down down-
sometimes, when the monitor start "grunt"(didn't find another word, i hope you understand me) when you going too down with bass it can be helpful- this way you know better your limits- however working with a lot of bass will lack this advantage- again, unless you know what is the right sound-
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 11:16
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I would go for a larger speaker instead of a 2.1 system, because the bass in 2.1 systems is cut-off from the rest of the frequencies. In larger speakers the frequencies roll down naturally and there's no gap between the low and the low-mid so you have a more accurate monitoring system, i think...
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sy000321
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 12:59
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hi friend
sub woofers gives a enourmous number of hassles: calibration, reflexion, etc.
Do you produce in a large room? do you have any bass absortion thingys?
i cannot comment on hardtechno (to be truthfull, i havent heard it and i dont know what it is) but on psy the current trend is to cut most bass below some freqs to take away the bass energy and allow a louder rms... i'm almost sure hardtechno goes the same way, just with a lot of distortion on the kick  ... so the emphasis on sub bass is almost gone in many music styles to give way to flat distorted ridiculous rms numbers.
back to sub woofers... i wouldn't buy one but the best you can do is to go to a big store and listen to all the rigs you like and choose the one that fits you most.
again, if you'll be on a small room, i would be carefull because of room modes and bass reflection
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etnarama
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 16:44
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Well you all talk about my fears, overdoing the sub-bass , in hardtekno the sub works very much the rms is dumped for more distortion (some cases is too much, but anyways).
Booby i don't understand what you mean. Is it that the sub "sings" the rest of the freq??
i wouldn't want to control the amount of sub, i would prefer something that is kinda "automatic", so that it only plays the lower freq that the other monitors cannot. My room is kinda 6m by 9m there's no absorbing stuff here except me.
Is there a system that when connected will work in a way that each monitor will "sing" there own freqs? without the need to eq it? Visit me
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sy000321
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 18:17
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 19:18
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if your monitors don't have a good bass response or aren't responsive to freq's below 60Hz it's best to get a subwoofer. But for psytrance it's absolutely not essential. If you would make DnB for example it would be essential to have a good response below 60Hz... |
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fregle
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 20:16
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ofcourse you also need the proper shielding for a good bass response, and don't put the woofer close to a wall |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 23:23
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Hi etnarama: i meant that with a subwoofer you have another frequency crossover at a vary low frequency and that the frequency response of your total system will depend on a lot of factors, for instance on how you set up your subwoofer system. See the Sound on Sound article on subwoofers for more info. The idea of a monitoring environment is that you have a linear frequency response, so you have a good idea about what's really going on in your mixes. And i fiqured that if you have a lot of unknown factors in your monitoring system, that you never really know if your mixes are good.
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etnarama
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 01:27
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Posted : Feb 24, 2006 18:39
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etnarama, you don't need to spend lots of cash on a sub, unless you're going for a hi-end pro setup.
I have a Samson C-Control which feeds the mix to a pair of Tannoy 5A's, and a 12volt car hi-fi active crossover. From that, I send the summed mid sub with 150Hz lowpass to a single 12" bass cab I got secondhand from the local music shop.
Reinforcement is like 20-30% of the main sound, but really makes the difference.
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