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Kitnam
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 21:48
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If someone ask you about your music production and he is asking you what your style is, what would you answer?
would you answer its psytrance, techno? electronic music? maybe progressive trance or fullon-powersound?
when you go into your studio and you sit there. why you make music? is it because of that you want to say something with your sound or that you want to sound like artist xy because it sounds realy cool and you want to sound cool like that too, is it because you allways did and some years ago you had the "fire" and today you do it because it sells good? do you want to show-off? do you want to explore? what is your music?
if you run to create a bassline and all the results dont fit well together and you think: shit everything i try to create sounds crappy.
what you do? maybe you give up the creation and start to recreate a proven basslineset like the VB-1 synthiebass preset. this one allways works isnt it? also the double offbeat, the offbeat or the classic straight 1/16 nonmelodic punching-style bassline.. this ones are all proven and working, but do you realy can call it music from yourself? where is the difference between the creation of your own bassline and when we succeed it: how many elements and ideas of your track are an export of your inner vibes?
do you have contact do your inner vibes? your feelings? do you know yourself? did you accept your mistakes and your failures, dod you accept that you are not perfect, a human beeing? do you allready began to trust in yourself? do you trust in your bassline even if not not sound like the market-standart?
when your big archetype producer changes his style because he found out something new and realy cool, do you will follow him?
hey artist XY now uses distorted bird noises it sounds realy COOOOOOL! do you will give it a try in your own studio? trying out how he created...? and after 4 minutes ... yes, the magical line where your ideas run out ... after 4 minutes you dont know what to do and then you put distorded bird noises in it and Super! now you can finish it 
you put your track on the server send labelowner frank (call him you like) fron frank-records the link and yes, he likes it and want to release it. because he is making a compilation with distorted bird noises 
because harry-records (the big one) released a very powerfull good selling compi like too.
because, you know... pssst: "the people on the floor want bird-noises! ", "hey psssst...! ducks have the best noises but dont tell anyone ok " "aha aha ok"
you can make a successfull business if you are a good technical producer and you rcreate creations, smelting things together, reorganizing...
but you also know... the best producers out there no matter which genre: they all have an individual STYLE. astrix sounds like xdream? maybe my mother would say: yes 
but you know: no.
why they are successfull, because the trust?
because they create?
for me producing is everytime training for the next producing session. every track is a preparation for the next one. its your way.
if you train yourself to make copies: you will never never never be able to create something beyound the sequence you copy. maybe you have an OWN sequence allready, but you deleted it. do you trust in yourself?
you are forced to always stay behind the superstars, because you try to follow their way? because you dont know what your way is?
is the intention to sound killer like xy your way? and where is the goal? do want to reach him, and when he gaves up one day? do you choose the style of another artist? and when do you choose yourself as the leader of yourself?
if you trust yourself you dont delete the crazy crappy elements. you work on it.
and you work on it. and it sound crappy and you work on it. you train, you train, you train, tears, blood sweat and tears. and the people say: man this is shit!
but you trust yourself. and you keep on going.
and one day: you have a track and you know its fucking goooood. and the people will say its realy amazing. and then...
then they start to copy you. but they will never be as good in YOUR STYLE as yourself. labels want to release compis sounding like your album. artists will try to sound like you. so what has happend?
you are one of the few, the few, the few brave ones, which had the brave heart and soul to trust in himselfes?
and the year later you make a complete different album with a completly different sound and its better than your old style before. people will try to catch it again..
but they are not able to overrun you, because its not from theirselfes.
a copy is just a farcade. an illusion. like a villa-farcade and if you go into it its a crappy barrack. its trys to look like something which do not is it realy. its only from outside somthing like that but not from inside.
you have to listen inside of you. every musician has such a voice i believe truly. every fucking human has such a voice. its telling you what to do, its yourself. your mind, soul, whatever...
maybe you know think: what this kitnam guy wants to tell me here. says blabla telling about styles and how to become one of the best producers, while is is just a small kid with some medium or low-quality releases, maybe some ok-ones. so what the F*** he wants from me here?
and my answer would be: you are right!
what my point is: its a hard way to create something. i mean realy create. but you can be sure its worth the work!
good producing!
and nice experience asking yourself questions like this.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 26, 2005 22:21
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NikC
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 00:42
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Kitnam - That is one of the best posts I've seen on this forum...
I see your point, and agree with your views completely!
As Colin said:
make this a sticky!
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Jeto
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dma
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 01:25
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wow,truly inspiring mate!!
such an interesting topic,i have always been the type that hears a new sound and persue's it,i just cant relax until i can produce that vibe,it's like some kinda uncontrolable drive for me!
is this natural or some kind of need to be accepted through youre music??....i mean at the end of the day we all have our supa role model that we want to sound like,and if we do maybe we will have the same respect and selfworth they do,
as humans all strive to be loved and excepted,being good at something makes us feel morelikely to get that love....
so i guess we cant help these feeling but learn from it that we have to have faith in ourselves,and that we can be loved and respected for our own identity!!
i think this is the path we all must travel down to find our identity,as a person and an artist!
still, to a degree!at the early stages of our producing career, it is vital to reference youreself to youre rolemodel! there is that entry level sound of the industry that has to be achieved,we cant go playing inbalanced music on huge pa's(eq/gain levels etc)it would be very disrespectfull of the listeners fragile ears!!
many fake it till they make it but neva seem to be that big star,while others bleed sweat and pull there hair out and suceed!!
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etnarama
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 02:11
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Mantik you are spot on!!!!!
That's absolutely true....
My own experience is that when i produce psy, of course i try to follow my own "idols" but in the end I'm just developing my own, i don't even sound like them, but the most frustrating thing is having people judging your music and saying .... 'that's not psy, it doesn't sound like it' ...
But do people realise that psy has changed very much in the last 8 years, nowadays most of the more 'mainstream stuff doesn't sound like old songs, there's more a model that everyone uses, the same kicks, the same snares and everything has to sound the same. Can someone explain me the model of psy???? is there a model???
x+y=XY
Just make amazing tunes that make people dance, with that psicadelic touch (if you now what i mean)
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Milosh
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 03:12
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Mantik what to say you are truly big inspiration.. I realy know what are you talking about when you say thet you come to 4 min. and than wath .. traying to kill your self and hiting your head in tha fucking wall trying to compose something new.. and when you talk about copying others with same and boring kbbb line.. well i don't know what to say I didn't expect post like this!!!
You realy confused me and my friend in a good way 
well it gona be much easyer to compose after this post
!!!!!THANK YOU MANTIK!!!!!!!
Never let computers to win a game! :)
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dlx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 04:46
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Nice1 mate
"That's no ordinary rabbit! 'Tis the most foul, cruel and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on!" |
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Methodic Marble
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 04:49
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OK i gues the final thoght is be YOURSELF.........................
cool post Kitnam |
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 06:20
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On 2005-11-26 21:48, Kitnam wrote:
If someone ask you about your music production and he is asking you what your style is, what would you answer?
would you answer its psytrance, techno? electronic music? maybe progressive trance or fullon-powersound?
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I'd say , its more morning music in my case , but still i meet label managers who label my music from any where between goa , old school and those rinkadink types , which really leaves me in an AWE, thinking , whose on the right track ...lol .... but never mind ... as long as the music sounds good ... who gives a fuck ? what STYLE it is .. ? I DONT !! DO YOU ???
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when you go into your studio and you sit there. why you make music? is it because of that you want to say something with your sound or that you want to sound like artist xy because it sounds realy cool and you want to sound cool like that too, is it because you allways did and some years ago you had the "fire" and today you do it because it sells good? do you want to show-off? do you want to explore? what is your music?
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of all the above alternatives that you have posted , im SURE , there are users on this forum that will fit in to ANY of the above foresaid categories , but for me personally , its PURE CREATIVITY .... i feel i was just born to to QualitY MUSIC and that what i must do ...
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if you run to create a bassline and all the results dont fit well together and you think: shit everything i try to create sounds crappy.
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Work my ass out , until it sounds right , thus learning several new things in the process
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what you do? maybe you give up the creation and start to recreate a proven basslineset like the VB-1 synthiebass preset. this one allways works isnt it? also the double offbeat, the offbeat or the classic straight 1/16 nonmelodic punching-style bassline.. this ones are all proven and working, but do you realy can call it music from yourself? where is the difference between the creation of your own bassline and when we succeed it: how many elements and ideas of your track are an export of your inner vibes?
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well , sometimes u need to get a fast start to a track to qucikly jot down all the ideas and sounds , that are lurking in the head , so a rolling bassline for starters is just fine ... however , creativity is never compromised and always see , what DIFFERENT ? can be done with the sound in this track ?
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do you have contact do your inner vibes? your feelings? do you know yourself? did you accept your mistakes and your failures, dod you accept that you are not perfect, a human beeing? do you allready began to trust in yourself? do you trust in your bassline even if not not sound like the market-standart?
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well , ya .. I have accepted it HONESTLY , when i used to , have and will continue to suck in the future , but growth is all about learning your mistakes and moving forward .. no ?
otherwise , what are you learning? NOTHING !!!
and ya , if youre making music and would feel better , if others heard and appreciated it ... going a LITTLE commercial , dosent hurt ...IMHO ....
coz ultimtely , u make music for others to enjoy and not only for yourrself , right ?
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when your big archetype producer changes his style because he found out something new and realy cool, do you will follow him?
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well , as i dont try to mimick artist X/Y/Z . so the question of following him or her dosent arise ... heh ..
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hey artist XY now uses distorted bird noises it sounds realy COOOOOOL! do you will give it a try in your own studio? trying out how he created...? and after 4 minutes ... yes, the magical line where your ideas run out ... after 4 minutes you dont know what to do and then you put distorded bird noises in it and Super! now you can finish it
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well , in every single track i hear , i find creatvitiy SHOUTING IN MY FACE !! , but hell yeah , ive learn to appreciate it and see , from there what I Can do different , that the artist didnt do and take it forward from there .... thus , being creative and original @ the same time ....and Btw , if ure not creative , music making is not your cup of tea , sorry if that sounds rude ...
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you put your track on the server send labelowner frank (call him you like) fron frank-records the link and yes, he likes it and want to release it. because he is making a compilation with distorted bird noises
because harry-records (the big one) released a very powerfull good selling compi like too.
because, you know... pssst: "the people on the floor want bird-noises! ", "hey psssst...! ducks have the best noises but dont tell anyone ok " "aha aha ok"
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THIS is EXACTLY what it means to get caught in the VICIOUS circle of commercialism and thus which eventually leads to the DEATH of your CREATIVITY ..... lissen , before those bird noises , there was something else that was hitting the parties and then ppl wanted those noises , now its birds and tomorrow it might be ELEPHANT FARTS , hahaha .. lmao , who knows ? and since nothing lasts forever , how far are u gonna get my mimicking ... ? instead , its more sensible to wait for some time , be orignal , trust in what u make and eventually , by the law of karma , you MUST and WILL find a label that exactly does your sound , with even asking you to change a singe SAMPLE !!!
[which is my case !!!! ]
be creative !! it KICKS anything in the face !
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you can make a successfull business if you are a good technical producer and you rcreate creations, smelting things together, reorganizing...
but you also know... the best producers out there no matter which genre: they all have an individual STYLE. astrix sounds like xdream? maybe my mother would say: yes
but you know: no.
why they are successfull, because the trust?
because they create?
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exactly, they didnt copy .. made something , others want to copy ... ! this world we live in lives on HEROES ... and not every 1 is or can be a HERO ! ... so, if u want to be one ... behave like one !!!
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for me producing is everytime training for the next producing session. every track is a preparation for the next one. its your way.
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exactly , just keep defeating yourself all the time , true character of a genius ...
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if you train yourself to make copies: you will never never never be able to create something beyound the sequence you copy. maybe you have an OWN sequence allready, but you deleted it. do you trust in yourself?
you are forced to always stay behind the superstars, because you try to follow their way? because you dont know what your way is?
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if you dont know the way , please start looking out for it ... for ask and it shall be given unto theee !! 
and yeah , i created my own sequence again !
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is the intention to sound killer like xy your way? and where is the goal? do want to reach him, and when he gaves up one day? do you choose the style of another artist? and when do you choose yourself as the leader of yourself?
if you trust yourself you dont delete the crazy crappy elements. you work on it.
and you work on it. and it sound crappy and you work on it. you train, you train, you train, tears, blood sweat and tears. and the people say: man this is shit!
but you trust yourself. and you keep on going.
and one day: you have a track and you know its fucking goooood. and the people will say its realy amazing. and then...
then they start to copy you. but they will never be as good in YOUR STYLE as yourself. labels want to release compis sounding like your album. artists will try to sound like you. so what has happend?
you are one of the few, the few, the few brave ones, which had the brave heart and soul to trust in himselfes?
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EXACTLY !!! . now we are comming right on point and starting to beat sense in these lost wannabe trance producers .. NO PAIN , NO GAIN >.. haah .. its that simple ...
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and the year later you make a complete different album with a completly different sound and its better than your old style before. people will try to catch it again..
but they are not able to overrun you, because its not from theirselfes.
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definately , i agreeee !
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a copy is just a farcade. an illusion. like a villa-farcade and if you go into it its a crappy barrack. its trys to look like something which do not is it realy. its only from outside somthing like that but not from inside.
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of course ....
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you have to listen inside of you. every musician has such a voice i believe truly. every fucking human has such a voice. its telling you what to do, its yourself. your mind, soul, whatever...
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maybe you know think: what this kitnam guy wants to tell me here. says blabla telling about styles and how to become one of the best producers, while is is just a small kid with some medium or low-quality releases, maybe some ok-ones. so what the F*** he wants from me here?
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Dosent really matter for me ..heh , as long as youre being creative and original !
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what my point is: its a hard way to create something. i mean realy create. but you can be sure its worth the work!
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once again , way to go !!
IF U WANNA BE THE BEST , FUCK THE REST .... LMAO .. HAAHAHAHA
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good producing!
and nice experience asking yourself questions like this.
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yeah nice post ! enjoyed this one .. makes me more comfortable now , feel im not ALONE afterall
respect .. chandan !
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 15:37
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indeed the best post i (also) have ever seen in this forum.
now, Kitnam, let me assure you that there is a lot of ppl that 'create' although they 'don't appear in the light of the day'. i've seen, i've listened to them. as far as why they DON'T appear in the light of the day... hm the answer is: labels; i can't say; they're afraid of losing money? fame? respekt? so... (that's the third part)
(third part) it's obvious that if anyone wishes to release an album or even a track, he HAS to comply with the MEDIUM, with the STANDARD form of something. now, i don't wish to get misunderstood; i'm also opposite to this situation... TOTALLY OPPOSITE. but it's true.
u may ask? ok dude, but why release? let ppl create and don't feel like releasing anything. Yeah, i agree, but that means only a few ppl will have the fortune on listening those 'creators' tracks. releasing as far i see it, it's making your tracks known to a bigger audience.
anyway. i hope, everyone gets what i wanted to say.
Kitnam, once more, dude... BEST POST
respekt!
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jaramogi
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 16:22
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very nice reading, i've found me inside |
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Milosh
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Posted : Nov 27, 2005 18:16
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hm the answer is: labels; i can't say; they're afraid of losing money? fame? respekt? so... (that's the third part)
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This is a pure thrut.. One of my friends is movi producer and he is a good at that but he also producing trance for him self and those are good songs but he never publish them from this reasons like piko wrote it.
I beliv that evry one of us would like to see his song on some compilation or whloe album released but until the labels are ready to compromise btw. money and respect to hard work of producers what we can do? we can try to do something new but alwayse we will be remainded to sound a just a litle more commercial.... no afens to any label but this is how the things go.
Never let computers to win a game! :)
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Illuminatix
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 04:11
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Tks a million for the killer post Kitnam.
Respect.
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PsyJar
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Posted : Nov 28, 2005 06:25
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Completely right
I think every producers should take a view of this post. For more than a few 'obvious' reasons!
Very well explained...
From now on, I shall call it ... Kitnam's Law!!!
(...just for the fun) 
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