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edzooo
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 02:06:09
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my problem is whenever im working on a new project i start with creating the pads to set the atmosphere and the intro then i go for the kick , bassline and i spend hours tweaking the bassline here and there and after that i make the lead , also mess around with the synthesizer for an hour until i get the sound that i like . and ummmm after that i get stuck !!!  like i dont know how to make my track to flow , so i get stuck with a few kicks and bassline ..etc sitting around here and there in the project without knowing how to arrange them and what order should the track be , and i know its up to me to choose what order they should be in but i get really confused and dont know what to do, and i have like tons of ideas for one track so i get lost and dont know what to choose .
although i do read alot of topics in the forum , so i often apply what i read here on the Daw and i dont know why ... i mean i read alot here and there but when it comes to apply it on my Daw i get kinda get scared and just stick with reading ... and it kills me !!! and im getting frustrated and maybe im scared that what if what i read here migh not work with me or im scared of failure ???
because like whenever i listen to a track for one of my fav producers i know what they did in a certain section of the track .. u know its like they filtered the kick here along with bassline ...etc
So what should i do , any help would be great from u guys 
and once again sorry if my question seems too stupid , and btw u'll be hearing alot from me here on the forum and see alot of topics by me asking for help cause i wanna get involved into this and dont want sit there doing nthn about anymore so plz bear with me !
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knocz
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 03:53
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If you're building a house, do you start painting the first brick you lay down right away? Well if you did that, then by the time you put the 3rd brick on, the first would be dirty..
Forget about perfection, just try to flow.. If you listen to a lot of older psy you'll hear a terrible quality in the sounds, but they made it all fit together because the ideas are there!
So, stop reading and put your hands in, put the pedal to the metal. Try giving yourself only 1 hour to make a tune, and no matter how it comes out after one hour you stop and forget about it. Try building the whole tune without paying attention to the kick and bass, and only do that later. Try putting down a whole tune in midi clips and automation before even putting in a synth or sample!
And, please press the REC button: focus on playing sounds and recording what comes out than fine tweaking anything. Make a couple of patches you can play around with, and play a couple of takes over the whole tune, than you'll just need to edit the takes and made the mix arrangement.
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Xsze
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 04:24
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D7uan
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 08:34
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this used to happen to me alot to and it was because i was trying to get a finished product as i was going along and well its hard because there are still more sounds that you put to get a finished product so just perfecting sounds in isolation will get you nowhere....what do i do now? i think of it as a sculpture...you start with a block of rock and it looks nothing like what you want but once you have the block you know if you take away all the pieces that dont look like what you want eventually it will be just what you want....so enough with the metaphor i just start putting sounds in i start with the kick then i focus on putting on the bass and it does not sound anything like the finished product i just focus on getting the right groove and note lenghts and notes....then i go and arm the rest of the drums again using sound i like but that are not going to sound like that in the finished track....so i just breeze through all of this and then i synthetize and play around with my main lead sounding close to the sound i like but ofcourse its so much different from what i will end up with...keep in mind that this is all very rough....then once i have this i start structuring the parts in blocks of 16 bars...then i start to get a little detailed making sure each block has its own distinct characteristic...then maybe ill start working on the bass to sound nice but not 100%....after this i start to work on pads, fxs and wn etc etc to move the track along...once i have most of the track arrenged then i start to make sure the sounds are the best i can make i start making sure the bass sounds awesome in isolation and with the other elements of the track but its still not the finished sound....then i start layering sounds on my leads to make them as huge and as good as possible without fucking up the bass...then i go on to all other sounds making sure they fit nice and play well with each other maybe leaving them about 70% finished....then i polish the fuck out of the bass and kick....and then polish the rest of the sounds making sure they dont obscure the kick and bass....at this point most sounds are like 90% done....then i just add more of this or more of what an individual sound needs according to my ears listening to all the sounds together to be able to get a final product.....hope this makes sense...and ofcourse there are lots of ways of doing this but this seems to be working so far....and the most important thing is to not give up and someday all of this will start making more sense and things will flow or will flow more easily....all of a sudden yyou will hear a sound and know exactly what it needs to make it the sound you have in mind...it all comes down to experience hours and hours of you in the studio just making and listining to your tracks...there is no substitute for that
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D7uan
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 08:38
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this used to happen to me alot to and it was because i was trying to get a finished product as i was going along and well its hard because there are still more sounds that you put to get a finished product so just perfecting sounds in isolation will get you nowhere....what do i do now? i think of it as a sculpture...you start with a block of rock and it looks nothing like what you want but once you have the block you know if you take away all the pieces that dont look like what you want eventually it will be just what you want....so enough with the metaphor i just start putting sounds in i start with the kick then i focus on putting on the bass and it does not sound anything like the finished product i just focus on getting the right groove and note lenghts and notes....then i go and arm the rest of the drums again using sound i like but that are not going to sound like that in the finished track....so i just breeze through all of this and then i synthetize and play around with my main lead sounding close to the sound i like but ofcourse its so much different from what i will end up with...keep in mind that this is all very rough....then once i have this i start structuring the parts in blocks of 16 bars...then i start to get a little detailed making sure each block has its own distinct characteristic...then maybe ill start working on the bass to sound nice but not 100%....after this i start to work on pads, fxs and wn etc etc to move the track along...once i have most of the track arrenged then i start to make sure the sounds are the best i can make i start making sure the bass sounds awesome in isolation and with the other elements of the track but its still not the finished sound....then i start layering sounds on my leads to make them as huge and as good as possible without fucking up the bass...then i go on to all other sounds making sure they fit nice and play well with each other maybe leaving them about 70% finished....then i polish the fuck out of the bass and kick....and then polish the rest of the sounds making sure they dont obscure the kick and bass....at this point most sounds are like 90% done....then i just add more of this or more of what an individual sound needs according to my ears listening to all the sounds together to be able to get a final product.....hope this makes sense...and ofcourse there are lots of ways of doing this but this seems to be working so far....and the most important thing is to not give up and someday all of this will start making more sense and things will flow or will flow more easily....all of a sudden yyou will hear a sound and know exactly what it needs to make it the sound you have in mind...it all comes down to experience hours and hours of you in the studio just making and listining to your tracks...there is no substitute for that
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D7uan
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 08:39
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Taisto
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 11:08
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Ou, man, this is why i'm so hooked up with this forum; someone always put new jewelry to the table.
Thanks!
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zwarag
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 12:52
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that is GREAT! thx for sharing brother!
Back to da topic:
I felt es you do and it is only one month ago that i was able to break the wall.
Like you, i did a lot of EQing and fitting a loop perfectly together so that i have some good thing to start with. Than i did a little arrangement and immediatly had to reEQ relevel and restereo even might have changed tha key and and and everything.
Get this into your mind: Some of this work you do (the reEQ and so on), is actually the work you what to do, to crate your track. In the sense that if you would have STRG+D the Loop and then do this never ending work, you would have 3-4 different loops! This might be the tension build you would like to do!
So this is my little description how i broke the wall:
The thing i did otherwise was, that i started with the midi, and just wrote down my main idea i had in my head in the daw.
Then i did a very little of sounddesign so that, for example the bass was a bit more than just a sinewave^^ just to have the sounddesign idea i would like to realize. And by doing this i could "forget" what i had to keep in mind and had some more mind for the crative part i need to do next.
Just copyed the loop by doing STRG+D a few times.
And there you go buddy, you start taking out some midi/drums/whatevery here, put some more there, and then you should have the main strukture of your track but not in very depth (4 exmpl: if you have no idea for breaks just do a little crazy drum didli dodli so that you can do this later).
When i had this, i started doing a bit more deeply sounddesign and bounced out some of the stuff i really liked and also might have putted it in a sampler to make it even [some adjective word].
So there i was back with adjusting some more of the arrangement and also might have started doing the breaks if i got an idea for it.
I think the "most important rule" is, build some time-boxes.
You will need at least 4 big Boxes that last around x-y hours.
You might break these boxes in underboxes^^
A Rythmbox (for drum setting, groove, midi) you know.. making the loop or break sound good,
A Sounddesignbox (for a nice bass and Drumcreation like pitching sample length and so on)
A Audio-Processiong-Box (equing, leveling, filtering unecessary frequencys, mastering of a particular sound...)
A Arrangementbox (STRG+D and have fun doing automation and velocitystuff)
When you build your boxes, you put your brain and your heart in these boxes and do exactly and only what you decided to do in this SPECIFIED!-Box. Of coarse you might have a quick grab into an other box if it is really necessary, but just do the really necessary and then immediatly go back into the box you told yourself you will use that time for.
You dont have to use my boxes, as i said im not very experienced at music production, but this is what helped me to break the wall.
This documentary helpt me to realize this hole processing. By the end some very whise words will fall that are actully only understandable by watching the hole documentary (assumed you dont have that much experience as it is to me).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM_V9dqtBug
peace'n'chaos brothers and sisters!
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smoker
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 13:26
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you can take a track which you really like and put him on one channel
then fallow the track which you like
timing,breaks,crash,boom and so on
don't do the same melody it just give you
aspiration
make couple tracks you will see how your'e timing
will improved and your idea will be better
sometimes wee have idea lacked then wee take aspirations from other's
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bandarlog
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Posted : Aug 2, 2013 14:12
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stonedolphin
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Posted : Aug 4, 2013 10:11
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Wow... Great stuff, Thank you |
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B-recluse
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Posted : Aug 10, 2013 17:25
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ha i had that too ,now i play live with my tracks so i don't have to think to much any more to get ideas ! the music takes you there and you feel more relax so the brain is not stressed and booom you got impulses from every were , you start to hear what have to be done , then you are in the flow , go with the stream and it will take you there were you wanna be Namaste |
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Falkon303
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Posted : Aug 12, 2013 09:54
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Recently I have the same bug. I spend so much time equing and trying to get things sharp sounding that I eventually lose inspiration on the track.
The ONLY thing that has ever really worked for me to finish tracks is when I pay absolutely no attention to the equalization. I'll adjust levels and whatnot, but that's trivial. Then, I have a finished SONG... not a perfectly mixed oracle of sound design YET, but something strictly musical that carries itself in the notation and general tone arena. This is the most important part, and sometimes we get caught up in trying to make it sound as good as possible sonically instead of musically first.
I highly recommend ignoring all of your fine tuning and focusing on the music first and foremost. |
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