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Stop putting so much time and work into basslines!
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Woggle
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 01:01
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? huh? some styles do not need to be static, style is a man made convention. enjoy it for what it is, not what it isn't .
i'm not talking about virtual analogs. i'm talking about analogs. And it doesn't matter about using presets. you dial up one sound and you have a bassline . It is because everyone uses digital people do not recognize how fucking simple it is to create a bassline. |
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eMpTy
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 01:30
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You can't argue with that.... unless you have an analog...which I don't...... |
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Woggle
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 01:34
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it's why i don't understand 99% of teh conversations here. people are trying so hard for one sound, but when i do it on analogs it just free flows. concentrate more on the composition and not the timbres. |
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Input
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 14:00
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I Say Don't Stop putting so much time and work into basslines cause it worth it when you'll make it good.
And that's the only way to do this right,
Effort and Patience friends, don't ever give up-
I believe every artist took his time to become a pro and make the things sounds good without to much work,
Peace Space is the place
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GuyShanti
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 14:58
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Input - right on.
I dissagree that bassline is a waste of time. the bassline is one of the most inportant elements of todays trance. it is one of the most important reasons that today's trance sounds so much phatter than trance of a few years back. it is the FOUNDATION on which your track sits (combined with the kick) and if they are wrong - the sound of the track is wrong.
the reason that so many bassline sound the same is that NOT ENOUGH time has been spent in making the line. not viseversa.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 15:26
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its simple:
no hard work = no real success
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 16:51
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On 2004-03-21 22:03, djsid wrote:
if u cant do basslines..wat do u wanna do? *u* suck if u cant do basslines 
go home n lissen to music more regularly
bom bom!
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Yes, and then do the simple full-on or minimal basslines that everyone does. Did you ever listen to tracks with more complex bass work (Kiwa for instance)? It's easy to give basslines a driving sound, and it's MUCH easier to make the simple rolling or offbeat based basslines like 99.9% of the psytrance today.
Try and experiment with melodies in the bass, weird grooves and so on, and you'll see that basslines aren't all that easy to make if you want to do something special and not the same formulated tracks that everyone does. Unfortunately, we have 436197154 "GMS, Astrix, Alien Project Bassline" threads.
Someone who says that making a good bassline is easy just doesn't understand that imagination should apply to basslines too.
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eliran17
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 19:22
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well i think that Mike A just want to say that not the whole track is about the bass line.
in the very long time i spend to read the topics here i've noticed that pepole are afraied to show there bass line, they think if its not a KILLA-ASTRIX-SUB6-GMS f*kkinnn bassline (i dont know how u want me to call it...) than its not good and the track suck.
i realy think that the bassline is a very important but its your call to deciede if its sounds good or not, its about tweaking,comp. ,Eq the bass to fit to the generel idea of the track.
spend time finding your bass and when YOU think its good and you are 100% sure its good its very spacial and unique to me.
after is'nt music all about?
being different one from an other.
i'am sorry for the poor english but i hope i've kind of pass to you my opinion
keep up the great job u all!!!!
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Woggle
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 21:18
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i feel the same, the bassline is important, but not as important as the other stuff.
and superglue, i feel the 303 is the hardest synth to get a good psy bassline. and most nalaogs do not sound cheezy. i guess that's a matter of taste, if you like yannni digital's the way to go...h eheh....
on kiwa's basslines, i feel they're excellent, but they're also not as fat.
i feel that many basslines are *TOO* prominent in the mix, and on the sound system are WAY too loud, soundsystems at parties are always overly bassified, and don't do well in the highs and mids, you really don't need to worry about basslines and kicks that much unless you want to make them your whole track, many old rave tricks were to TAKE bass out of kicks because it gets too overbearing on the porly equed pa systems...
everytime i go to a party nowadays all i hear is bassline and kick, nothing else, its' like artists don't even think of the mids and the highs anymore. and that's what i liked about goa...the mids and highs tend to be shitty bpf virus tweaks that aren't exactly hearable on a system. I think people need to start working more in that direction. To what's audible in mid->high range extremely loud.
I still don't know what takes soo much work on a bassline though...I guess if you're just starting out and don't fully understand them they can seem quite difficult. But imho the best music comes out in a zen state of mind. not overly thinking aobut it ,b ecause then you get caught up.
I also don't use step sequencers, only live sequencing, so maybe i do not fully understanD?
Also when making sounds save it a few times, maybe 5 times, and then when you're done working check out which of the 5 sounds best. you'll often find the sounds that you made originally sound better than the later ones because your ears get tired from hearing the same sound over and over again, and start liking the worse.
I don't think it's good to spend too much time on one sound. but then again i'm not in the digital realm of things so i don't really have to. |
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EYB
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 13:34
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Spent time to your sound until you like it.
1 minute, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 month...
...it is not important
Being happy with your work, that's the point.
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Yuli
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:27
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I think that first of all making kik / bassline is very interesting by itself ( if u r not of the copy paste fellas ) it is always different and it is always a new puzzle how to make them sound good, and applying the sound to the whole track accordingly. There is no such thing as a 1 pattern for kik bass combination and it affects the whole track.
What is quite funny is people's wish to do the same kind of bassline, with the same sound and as many times as possible - this is really boring imo.
Just last few weeks I am playing with this bass for the first time in my life, and it is very easy to achieve, so I guess I will make a few tracks with it.. But come on
There are so many different instruments with so many different feel / basses great diversity.. Why not trying one of those? Expand yer mind and way of thought - without that the trance doesnt have too much places to go to from where we stand now.
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:31
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On 2004-03-22 21:18, Woggle wrote:
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everytime i go to a party nowadays all i hear is bassline and kick, nothing else, its' like artists don't even think of the mids and the highs anymore...
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Hey woggle i don't know to which party you goes and what sound system they have but i invite you to come here to israel and stay in the party until the morning when the full on starts there is a lot of bass range but also lots of lots of high and mid. (too much for my ears for sure  )
Yes,nowadays artists take the bassline and put it in the front of the track but i think that if you are looking for high mid you can find it
and a lot of times too much (imo).
salute
motorik
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motorik
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Posted : Mar 23, 2004 16:42
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hi yuli
I agree with your point as a musician and of course someone who consider himself as a musician shouldn't copy and paste all is sounds and music but....
what about creating a style that is unique to you as a trance producer.
Doesn't it ruin your uniformity if you use a few different bassline sounds in one artist CD.
I know that the sounds all around and the way of arranging the tracks is also a good mark for a certain artist music ,but doesn't the bassline count too .
I mean not exactly the same baslline but at list the same kind of sound to let your CD have It's sound uniformity!!!!!!
salute
motorik
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