routingwithin
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Posted : Jul 10, 2014 16:21:46
Hey guys, hows everyone doing today.
@ work waiting for it to end, so I can get to the party. Anyway, since I have some time I was wondering if anyone can help me out.
I recently produced a track.
In stereo it sounds well balanced, but summed down to Mono it obviously start to loose some DB's (depending on the size of each sound's stereo image)
When I reference a commercial track with a vectorscope it has a huge Stereo image, then sum it down to mono and all the amplitude levels seems,,, well balanced.
I really don't get this, because if you start moving from +1 to 0 in mono, the volume goes lower and lower.
* So Then: How do you stereorize a sound without messing with the balance of the volume. Then ..in mono my mix sounds great and solid, but in stereo, the leads are too loud. And Visa Versa from stereo to mono.
Sigh
Would the following be a bad idea:
Finalize the mix, render to Wav, duplicate the Wav file, make one stereo and one mono, throw them on top of one another and normalize it to 0db. So you have a nice stereo version with a mono version waiting in the mist if ever its summed down to Mono. ???
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NEBULOsity
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Posted : Jul 10, 2014 21:43
and check mainly correlation meter. If it is in red is wrong and your channels are canceling each other. Try to stay in green side of the meter when you mixing. Maybe this will help a little bit but I am not a profesional so sorry if dont https://soundcloud.com/nebulosity
Ozone 5 Advanced has feature that adresses that problem - it´s called stereoize. You might wanna try it out. It basically let´s you do monocompatible stereowidening. - only in teh advanced version tho.
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Posted : Jul 14, 2014 22:19
You should probably keep everything bellow 250Hz mono. But you won't get there just by blending a mono and a stereo version together, unless you split these two into bands - like with a low pass at 250Hz in one version, high pass, same frequency on the other.
yes. to get better control of your low end, bounce all the low end element to mono files.
in your stereo elements use things like mid-side eq... check how things sound in the middle. and on the sides.
routingwithin
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Posted : Jul 15, 2014 10:37
Thanks guys, but I already know all of this.
Use Ozone to check my correlation, in the stereo imaging section. There you can also open the first bandwidth up to 250hz and make everything mono below 250hz.
I have recently found that I can use reverb to create some stereo. Which is ideal cause the main signal of the instrument stays the same, while you add some stereo air to it.
anyway, enjoy yourselves
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Jul 15, 2014 17:19
Did u use Haas effect for any stereo widening? this can result is some cancellations in mono signal.
Are you able to pinpoint specific sounds or areas of the mix with problems? if u can it will make it easier to diagnose.
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routingwithin
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Posted : Jul 16, 2014 16:33
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On 2014-07-15 17:19, PRO-Gram wrote:
Did u use Haas effect for any stereo widening? this can result is some cancellations in mono signal.
Are you able to pinpoint specific sounds or areas of the mix with problems? if u can it will make it easier to diagnose.
There is no problems in the mix, just wanted to get a wider image, and no cancellations..
Commercial tracks are always soooo wide. I cannot reach that width without phasing.
Stereo reverb is the best option so far. Using wet/dry to add subtle stereo without affecting the dry signal too much.
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Sep 2, 2014 17:06
How do you approach making your sounds stereo?
There are many ways to achieve a wider stereo image and plugins such as wide boy which really spread the sound hard left or right help a lot in making a wide sound.
Personally I duplicate channel for lead synths and pan them left/right and make subtle velocity differences in each part then apply slightly different processing to each side this helps create a much larger stereo image. this is prior to adding any reverbs or stereo widening plugins.
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keyop
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Posted : Sep 2, 2014 20:22
Nugen Stereoizer is worth looking at.
Also use a simple 'sample delay' plugin on your lead/sound with just 200-300ms on one side.
Mid/side eq can also give a percieved wider stereo field.
routingwithin
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Posted : Sep 3, 2014 10:36
Thnx Pro-gram + Keyop
Subtle, yet great advice.
Problem for me in the beginning was I couldn't just use a stereo plugin and add stereo. Almost all plugins I tried made the sound collapse in Mono- M-ST did work kinda, but added distortion and clicks, so no go.
There are so many aspects in music production that you spend weeks on one thing, like EQ, or Stereo image, etc..
Slowly but surely learning the production trade.
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PRO-Gram
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Posted : Sep 4, 2014 11:06
Hey man, the key to stereo sound is to fooling the brain that the left and right sides are the same sound but subtly different.
Saturation/distortion plugins are useful to change character of one side more than the other also i find having a slightly different filter cutoff frequency on each side creates a wider image.
You can make ANY subtle difference between left and right, experiment that is the key.
In my track below a lot of the tracks are duplicated
routingwithin
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Posted : Sep 5, 2014 10:26
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On 2014-09-04 11:06, PRO-Gram wrote:
Hey man, the key to stereo sound is to fooling the brain that the left and right sides are the same sound but subtly different.
Saturation/distortion plugins are useful to change character of one side more than the other also i find having a slightly different filter cutoff frequency on each side creates a wider image.
You can make ANY subtle difference between left and right, experiment that is the key.
In my track below a lot of the tracks are duplicated
LOL, yeah it does take years doesn't it. Again - some great advice. The subtle changes can be endless-
also realized that closer to mono does sound much more solid than having too many stereo sounds.
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