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loki
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 06:34:04
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digging through old threads, i find this idea:
using any old bassline (proggy sidechain, kbbb, offbeat, whatever) and duplicating the channel... one panned hard right, the other panned hard left - and then inverting the phase on one channel.
now - obviously, when i switch from my usual stereo monitoring to a stereo + subwoofer, obviously i get silence where the low frequencies should be, as the two stereo signals cancel each other out.
but - god DAMN does it ever sound cool otherwise.
so my question is... are the any disadvantages of doing this that i'm missing? obviously i couldn't play it over a mono system... but what the hell uses mono these days anyways? hmmm...
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mk47
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 07:05
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almost all nightclubs mono , i think
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 08:31
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On 2010-10-12 07:05, mk47 wrote:
almost all nightclubs mono , i think
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Is it? I keep hearing that all the time.
How true is that?
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Shiranui
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 08:50
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put them only slightly out of phase instead of inverted phase. you can do this with a delay. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 09:57
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PoM
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 11:48
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On 2010-10-12 08:31, Mike A wrote:
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On 2010-10-12 07:05, mk47 wrote:
almost all nightclubs mono , i think
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Is it? I keep hearing that all the time.
How true is that?
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something i m wondering too, it seems the dj and live act have no idea if it s mono or stereo when playing. |
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Alekzis
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 12:02
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every public address stage is in mono or just a little bit stereo and that's because the people standing next to the right speaker for example must hear the whole song and not just the right channel of the track. think about it. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 15:45
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On 2010-10-12 12:02, Alekzis wrote:
every public address stage is in mono or just a little bit stereo and that's because the people standing next to the right speaker for example must hear the whole song and not just the right channel of the track. think about it.
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What about he ones in the middle then?
And the phase inversion on say, the bass, would mean that you would still hear the bass if you sat in front of either speaker. if the P.A. was in mono though, the bass would get cancelled out, before it actually reached the bass drivers...thus you would not hear it anywhere in the room.
To the OP. the brain starts loosing directionality below 300Hz, not all of a sudden, but progressively. so don't worry about stereo bass that much. By all means work the information above 300Hz though.
peace.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 16:31
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On 2010-10-12 12:02, Alekzis wrote:
every public address stage is in mono or just a little bit stereo and that's because the people standing next to the right speaker for example must hear the whole song and not just the right channel of the track. think about it.
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Ok. Do you know this because you've seen a specific PA at work, or only because it makes sense?
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dija
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 20:05
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Alekzis
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 20:06
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never worked on psytrance stages but yes i have worked on such systems.
"what about the ones in the middle"?
disco hooligans i think you are talking about phase, right?
i'm talking about loudness. if you stand infront of the right speaker for example you cannot hear the left speaker. in mono every man in the area will hear the same thing. i mean the whole song.
lets say that you have a mix that has a guitar at the left speaker and human vocals at the right speaker.
a guy standing next to the left speaker will hear 95% guitar and 5% vocals, and a guy standing next to the right speaker will hear 95% vocals and 5% guitar. if you change that to mono both of them will hear the true mix!
in stereo the only ones that hear the true song are those standing at the middle. all of them have payed for the same ticket. that whould be bad for the ones at the edges. 
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 20:48
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Psytrance in mono sux.
Also imho, Psy is not for clubbing :/ |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 13, 2010 10:50
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On 2010-10-12 20:06, Alekzis wrote:
never worked on psytrance stages but yes i have worked on such systems.
"what about the ones in the middle"?
disco hooligans i think you are talking about phase, right? |
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Yes and reffering to the original post as well...the people that will be sitting in the middle of the room/equal distance from the speakers, will not listen to any bass from a stereo P.A. where the bassline is phase reversed.
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On 2010-10-12 20:06, Alekzis wrote:
i'm talking about loudness. if you stand infront of the right speaker for example you cannot hear the left speaker. in mono every man in the area will hear the same thing. i mean the whole song.
lets say that you have a mix that has a guitar at the left speaker and human vocals at the right speaker.
a guy standing next to the left speaker will hear 95% guitar and 5% vocals, and a guy standing next to the right speaker will hear 95% vocals and 5% guitar. if you change that to mono both of them will hear the true mix!
in stereo the only ones that hear the true song are those standing at the middle. all of them have payed for the same ticket. that whould be bad for the ones at the edges.
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It is why sometimes I am thinking whether stereo delay or a good ol' mono tape delay is the best choice for some leads....the people that are listening infornt of one speaker, will lose the delay groove. but it sounds a lot better if you sit in the middle.
peace out.
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mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 24, 2010 16:12
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Ive been trying out how it sounds to have 3 bass channels, 2 panned to both sides and a 3rd for the center, adjusting the panned tracks' volume to slighly lower than the center one. Im liking the way it sounds...
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