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State of the Psychedelic trance scene in Russia
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Madpup
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Posted : May 27, 2005 15:27
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I don't live in Russia anymore, but I go back quite often. I have to say that the current state of the scene from what I have seen is not good. Parties that have only Russian night-time stuff (including well into the morning) or very predictable israeli full-on like GMS and Skazi, no real progression in music as the party develops and no variety. Way too many young kids on amphetamines, that's just scary to watch. Djs that can not mix to save their life (that has always been the case in Russia, but surely there should be guys who actually try to pull off some half decent mixes).
Have I just been unlucky in the parties that I have attended or that the state of the scene as a whole?
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Voice of All
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Posted : May 27, 2005 17:56
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Unfortunately you are quite right with facts Madpup. Do not really think that you've been unluky the situation that you have described is very close to real life. And as you know many good musicans we have here but line-up is not one DJ or project so for each good and really intelligent or innovative one there are tons of beginers who will give up their decks after couple of parties 
Also as you know here we have very strong 'friendship' reasons of what we do The whole promo-groups are content with couple of rather good DJs and other people who are in just their friends who also want to clubby and have interesting hobby...
But we still have great parties... They are mostly private to not attract much attention from authority along with hundreds of ampho-freaks.
Actually there are two kinds of private parties here around Moscow. The first is a parties for group of close friends who just want to spend their time with fun. Usually they don't care of music much so you can find there most of hits of the moment. There is no really strong domination of dark stuff or pattern full-on at such parties it depends on what people are in there. And you almost won't find there very qulity DJs or musicians. The second type is the private parties of real music lovers. They even bring here foreign projects for 300-400 people and keep it in secret. Such parties now full of dark stuff. Dark stuff rules now There are lot of good musicians and DJs at those parties.
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YoMy
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Posted : May 30, 2005 20:27
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Hi, i'm coming to russia in the fall (september) and i was looking to get into the 'private parties of real music lovers'! i'll be in russia for 4 months and am afraid i'm going to get stuck listening to the same bass line because of my russian skills (lack of them). so... where can a girl listen to music?? |
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psyfox
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Posted : May 30, 2005 21:30
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I spent seven months in Russia last year and attended several psy events. By and large I have to agree with Madpup: a lot of parties featured solely Russian night music regardless of the time of the set. I know Russian artists are renowned for this type of music, but without progression and variation I find the atmosphere grows stale and intolerably intense. One particular event that sticks in my mind took place at a skatepark in Medvedkovo. The promotion group brought a series of 'big name' international acts - exaile, void and earthling - but the intensity of the atmosphere was absurd. The place was huge and overflowing - probably around 5000 people had rocked up. There was no chillout - just a massive room heaving with people who transcended any prior definition of intoxication that I could possible conjure in my mind. Everyone seemed to be off their face on amphetamines, and the atmosphere was incredibly aggressive. I remember one guy was marching up and down a bowling alley in the back all night without stopping. I wonder about the deal with drugs in Russia - I know the law is officially very strict (prison sentence for dope possession), however this club did not even have a drug search! I assume money exchanged hands at some point - it is just sad to see when trance is undermined by excessive drug use, not that this is not a problem in other countries though. When I left the skatepark, I got on a tramvai - the absurd juxtaposition of the russian raver kids still ceaselessly stomping and the early-rising babushki staring at them in passive shock (mnogo vidali na svoiom veke!) put the evening into perspective!
Anyway, having said that, I did make it to several good parties that I thoroughly enjoyed, especially outdoor events in the summer. Outside Moscow there are huge forests perfect for these parties, and at least outdoors you can escape the music if it isn't to your taste. Russia has a lot of trance talent, it is just about choosing the right parties. I can only be a judge of the commercial side of the trance scene, as I never attended one of the 'private parties' Voice of All refers to. However it seems to me that by and large the atmosphere at Moscow indoor events is negative - filled with speed freaks dressed up in chemical weapons gear and nuclear face masks. |
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psyfox
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Posted : May 30, 2005 21:46
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Voice of All
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Posted : May 31, 2005 00:18
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Yeah psyfox I've been to that party too... In the end of 2003, eh?
You won't believe that those 5000 people it is almost minimum for that place. Skatepark 'Adrenalin' was one of the biggest places in Moscow and GFST (our biggest promo) used to do lot of parties with foreign artist there. That time Exaile and Void (also Tube was at that party)were not such popular as nowaday and psy-trance itself wasn't such popular. Latest parties as were Skazi, Rinkadink and GMS in that place were much more crowded.
And I guess you have noticed that average 'level of positive' here in Russia is lower then in Europe (have not been to USA but think that it is right for your country too).
... and about drugusing: yes here we have anormous laws in that field. They are just such strict that if authority keep it working all the time there wouldn't any trance events at all. Usually bribery helps organisers to run them
YoMy, it depends on what music girl like
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Madpup
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Posted : May 31, 2005 01:21
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On 2005-05-30 21:30, psyfox wrote:
Everyone seemed to be off their face on amphetamines, and the atmosphere was incredibly aggressive. I remember one guy was marching up and down a bowling alley in the back all night without stopping. I wonder about the deal with drugs in Russia - I know the law is officially very strict (prison sentence for dope possession), however this club did not even have a drug search! I assume money exchanged hands at some point - it is just sad to see when trance is undermined by excessive drug use, not that this is not a problem in other countries though. When I left the skatepark, I got on a tramvai - the absurd juxtaposition of the russian raver kids still ceaselessly stomping and the early-rising babushki staring at them in passive shock (mnogo vidali na svoiom veke!) put the evening into perspective!
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I agree with you, the behaviour of most Russian teenages on amphetamines is something else, I remember I was at the Moscow Goa Gil party last August and watching the crowd of kids as young as 14, stomping around. Resembled animals more than humans,a sight like that can turn a person forever from attending any dance parties.
I think having very hard music for the entire party is part of the problem, this is what most kids seem to want and basically these parties put on the music to cater for them.
If there was some nice morning stuff thrown in and maybe a bit of prog as well, would that make the atmosphere at these parties a bit better?? |
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Voice of All
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Posted : May 31, 2005 02:00
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If there was some nice morning stuff thrown in and maybe a bit of prog as well, would that make the atmosphere at these parties a bit better??
do not really think that music can change this situation... everything here is a reason for most people to be exactly as they are... sad but true...
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Posted : Jun 4, 2005 12:37
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| I don't live in Russia anymore, but I go back quite often. I have to say that the current state of the scene from what I have seen is not good. Parties that have only Russian night-time stuff (including well into the morning) or very predictable israeli full-on like GMS and Skazi, no real progression in music as the party develops and no variety. Way too many young kids on amphetamines, that's just scary to watch. Djs that can not mix to save their life (that has always been the case in Russia, but surely there should be guys who actually try to pull off some half decent mixes).
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too true
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| But we still have great parties... They are mostly private to not attract much attention from authority along with hundreds of ampho-freaks.
Actually there are two kinds of private parties here around Moscow. |
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:thumbs up: yeap!
still there are some elves in the woods
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Jun 5, 2005 23:23
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On 2005-05-30 21:30, psyfox wrote:
I remember one guy was marching up and down a bowling alley in the back all night without stopping.
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hahahaha, yeah sounds like Adrenaline all right
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, however this club did not even have a drug search!
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thats not true, i've been searched by security/cops at this club(?) a bunch of times, at the gate and inside later on too.
just like any other country, russian has plenty of good and bad about the trance scene. The nature there is very beautiful, and I have many fond memories of being at great private and public open airs there.
We are all visitors to this time, this place. We are just passing through. Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love... and then we return home. |
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fire_dance
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Posted : Jun 6, 2005 02:35
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sandria
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Posted : Jun 12, 2005 12:53
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skazi wil killlll you |
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aliened
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 04:11
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" very predictable israeli full-on like GMS and Skazi "
GMS r not israeli full on , Asher Skazi has nothin common with full on too
wot i can to say .. thats terreble ..even psy culture in russia stands on the lowest stage as like any other forms of social life .. either nothin work or work some incredibe russian way .. anyway Russia is pretty big so wot city u refferin to , guys ?
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Fearkiller
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Posted : Jun 13, 2005 20:54
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what f**ck here is goin on?
2 aliened:At first there are not social form of life
about 14 years! %) And nothing common with it!
2 fire_dance: Don't compare Sisto-palty, friendly, non comercial party near Gulf of Finland with Skazi and Exaile in Adrenalin in Moscow... This is different things and there was different ppl...
Sure Russia have problems with psychedelic scene, but i think like any other country...
This is just one stage of development of trance scene in Russia..
Completely precise line exist between Underground private partys and partys like Sobitie in Adrenalin, more similar on typical shitty pop-party, with kids do not understand what they do there and for what... more than, many of them they dont know who plays)) i think partys like this, is very difficult for naming Psychedelic trance party..
But i think underground scene develops in Russia very fast) Basically dark psy scene;)
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fire_dance
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Posted : Jun 15, 2005 03:07
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I'm just trying to say that there's no need to complain about the degradation of commercial parties.. cause we have great private and half-private psyscene =) just forget about big parties now and let the hype pass away =) |
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