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Starting music production = over analyze tunes\tracks??
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danieLs@n
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 01:39:03
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For the past 2 years I have been auto- learning music theory (melody, harmony), synthesis, music composition etc,as well as listening to as much as old-school Psytrance as I have been able, taking in account that i just discovered psy around 2004 and I just didn't want to be another let's say, Astrix clone (with all my respects to Astrix,not his fault that everybody wants to sound like him). Now I think I am ready to take the next step and start producing something that I hope will bring some value to the scene, but....
....I have found myself doing something that I don't like but I do without realizing it: I over analyze the tracks I am listening to. My brain is always trying to find out how this sound\effect has been achieved, thus getting my attention away from the real groove of the song and enjoyment\excitement.
I am not sure if starting producing music will make things worse than they are at the moment.
The question for all of us is, does this happen to you? Is there any way I can avoid doing this?
This only happens to me when I am not on an altered state of mind\consciousness.
Please share your thoughts
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 02:40
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Definitely happens to me - in addition to this I am now much more sensitive to DJs/Liveacts fucking up than when I was just listening and not producing. Dancing or spinning Poi helps me to flush out that sense of over-analysis though |
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Medea
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 03:18
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This is quite normal thing, nothing wrong with it.
When you learn how to make sounds, you will stop focus on analyzing them, and will start to analyze other things, like why this track is "real groovy" and that is not, why this track is a hit and that is not 
When you will have a kind of basic idea how all this stuff is made, and how it works together, you will return to just listening to music and having fun, as before...
Shortly: don't care, its ok 
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frepp
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 08:54
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What Medea said =) |
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musAphira
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 10:56
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On 2010-03-08 08:54, frepp wrote:
What Medea said =)
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+1
now after 2 years starting with music i have some experience with synthesis, creating drums, flow etc. ... and now i stopped analyzing stuff and concentrate myself on my own flow cuz i realized that expressing yourself with music should be a lot of "fun". as a matter of course you need tools/knowledgement to create things and therefore you have to analyze. so it's ok for 2 years, but after that now i'm focusing just on fun 
and this leads me to a total different sound than astrix  |
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@ktif
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Posted : Mar 8, 2010 16:34
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Scolopendra
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Posted : Mar 9, 2010 16:30
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I've been doing music in different ways since I was six and started playing tuba in the school orchestra, later progressing to bassguitar and double bass, and now educated in performing arts. The recent 4-5 years I have been very interested in electronic music; psytrance and house specifically. Since I first started to take interest in the technical and analytical aspects of music for example mix related stuff, artists individual sound, sound synthesis etc. in all sorts of music that is, I have enjoyed trying to analyze all the music I really like. Try to make out what it is with this specific track that sets me in the mood it gives me. But this "analysis-process" always comes second.. after listening to the track 100001 times just enjoying its sound/groove/breaks or whatever. And I can easily just disconnect the analysis function and continue enjoying the track, or get back to enjoying the track after trying to analyze it.
Probably a crap answer.. sorry=P
Maybe you get to focused on the analyzing-part because there is something you can't figure out.. an unanswered question sort of? Maybe it would resolve if you sat down and got the answers? |
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loki
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Posted : Mar 9, 2010 17:33
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analysis is how you learn!
i've been playing music for a very long time, but only recently doing electronic studio stuff. i used to analyze tunes when playing guitar, too, for example, but now it's a whole new realm: i'll do anything from open up a waveform to analyze a waveform, i'll drop an entire project to work on replicating a particular timbre for days on end...
pick an artist or sound or even track you like - i'm doing this right now with logic bomb's recent stuff - analyse it like crazy, and make a tune or a half tune using those production techniques. if it sounds a lot like your inspiration, then yeah, don't release it, but feel good that you've got these techniques in your repertoire. maybe save your new vsti presets for later use!
that way, when you do go to produce a 'choon to release, you can smile to yourself as you try to, say, create a song with the trippy percussive flourishes of logic bomb, the dancefloor friendly bassline funk of sienis, coupled with grinding nutek style fm leads and stutter effects, etc etc etc.
i'm not saying analyze so you can copy, i'm saying analyze so that you know how to make the sound you want. i've played guitar and piano long enough to realize that whenever i learn a groove or melody, i can now incorporate slices of that into anything i play. when you think about it, we (musicians) are just supercomplex beatslicers chopping and looping tiny bits of sound our brains have heard and putting them back together in the most fantastic, psychedelic, danceable etc ways we can. but analysis is a great first step! |
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loki
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Posted : Mar 9, 2010 17:33
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"musicians are just supercomplex beatslicers..." i kind of like that idea, actually. |
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