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Martian Arts
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Posted : Jan 17, 2009 20:04
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You can get to -10dB RMS without any special software/hardware limiters and have a nice clean sound. That is loud enough for me. Obviously mastering suites can do a better job and crank it up a notch and still make it all sound great.
Either way, there are gain knobs on mixers, so DJs can use those to get a roughly constant RMS level when playing out.
 
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dija
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 00:07
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Yeah but you as the producer should have your instrument at fairly constant levels. It shouldn't be the djs job to turn your track up halfway through the bar because you hit some bass notes that play too loud in.
Your goal as a producer:
Achieve the best flat mix you can. I know a lot of people around here master their own and I do my own ghetto mastering when I am passing a track to some friends. Just get your mix right 
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Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 00:48
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On 2009-01-17 15:52, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2009-01-17 11:37, dija wrote:
However, that being said I have heard some prominent members on here say that they actually use clipping as an advantage when mastering. I am not sure how this works. There was a huge thread about it a long while back and I forget the people who claimed this technique.
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It was Ido Domestic. And now you will be able to search for the thread
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whatever ppl say his mastering is quite bad
his own album is totaly distorted in the high end (if you didnt notice) rediculusly loud and in the most bad way i know... ear fatigue happens very quickly after the first "WOW" effect...
and double rel he mastered got totaly diffrent levels from track to track - the lower volume ones sound better and more dynamic.
latly the worse of the worse has been some japanese v/a i heard the levels are so idiotic there that the first sound of evry track get 0db and therefor the biggest sound in the track more then the kick bass or leads - talk about "impress" in the first second and lose it withing 1 minute
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 03:26
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On 2009-01-17 18:16, dija wrote:
I hear a lot of this technique. Artists playing very very few instruments as possible, however the ones that are playing are as loud and high quality as possible. Often songs are so minimal I believe to make it loud  Full on psy and dark psy are the WORST culprits at this type of thing. They usually play a rather loud k/b combo then throw in some squelch or white noise effect for extra rythm on top of the percussions. Then they sweep some fx by here and there and call it a song. ALthough, in 90% of cases contain 1 lead towards the peak of the track, 5% will make a failed attempt at using leads to create a hook, and the other %5 percent of fullon artists (not dark) have some interesting psy with melodic progressions and hooks.
Haha, sorry dark psy fans. I bang on dark psy pretty hard because I feel disrespected as a musician to have people making money off dark psy. However, it definitely isn't any worse than Britney Spears who has to sing through a pitch correction machine. However, Britney's producers do a decent
Take Vibraspheres album "Exploring the Tributaries". Some artists/producers go for a good groove that pumps then throw a bunch of FX and rythmic FX in that all are very good. Although vibrasphere does this they do use leads and lots of harmony in their songs, which are well composed. Their sound design is very highly refined. That is the appeal of vibrasphere to me. Minimal progressive dance at its finest. They do quite a job on their mixes as well. Especially their down tempo songs like Ensueno are produced magnificently with plenty of dynamics and plenty of upper frequency goodies.
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You shouldn't disrespect darkpsy, all is not bad and there are some real talents doing that kind of music...
everything can be done tastefully
but i can understand you, there are alot of mindfucks and ear fucks in darkpsy.. but there are even some good mind fucks.. lol
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acidkills
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 13:02
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On 2009-01-17 20:04, pipe&slippers wrote:
You can get to -10dB RMS without any special software/hardware limiters and have a nice clean sound. That is loud enough for me. Obviously mastering suites can do a better job and crank it up a notch and still make it all sound great.
Either way, there are gain knobs on mixers, so DJs can use those to get a roughly constant RMS level when playing out.
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Yeah and with a limiter 8 dB RMS is quite banging.. It should be some standard.. Otherwise dj just has more work..
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 15:54
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On 2009-01-17 18:16, dija wrote:
Full on psy and dark psy are the WORST culprits at this type of thing. They usually play a rather loud k/b combo then throw in some squelch or white noise effect for extra rythm on top of the percussions. Then they sweep some fx by here and there and call it a song.
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Yeah that'll sound really good
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ALthough, in 90% of cases contain 1 lead towards the peak of the track, 5% will make a failed attempt at using leads to create a hook, and the other %5 percent of fullon artists (not dark) have some interesting psy with melodic progressions and hooks.
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According to your scientific study? Interesting...
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Haha, sorry dark psy fans. I bang on dark psy pretty hard because I feel disrespected as a musician to have people making money off dark psy.
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Firstly, hardly anyone is making enough money to justify the time spent and cost of equipment.
Secondly, who are you to tell people what to like and what to buy? Should only music that you enjoy be allowed to enter the market?
Thirdly, are you sure this isn't what you meant:
"I bang on dark psy pretty hard because I feel disrespected as a musician."
Such resentment for what others may like tend to emanate from feeling inadequate.
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However, it definitely isn't any worse than Britney Spears who has to sing through a pitch correction machine.
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Hey, let's compare apples and oranges
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However, Britney's producers do a decent
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I presume you mean a decent job, and of course they do. They're professionals, why wouldn't they? Just like many full-on and darkpsy producers.
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Take Vibraspheres album "Exploring the Tributaries". Some artists/producers go for a good groove that pumps then throw a bunch of FX and rythmic FX in that all are very good. Although vibrasphere does this they do use leads and lots of harmony in their songs, which are well composed. Their sound design is very highly refined. That is the appeal of vibrasphere to me. Minimal progressive dance at its finest. They do quite a job on their mixes as well. Especially their down tempo songs like Ensueno are produced magnificently with plenty of dynamics and plenty of upper frequency goodies.
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We get it, you like Vibrasphere. So do I. No reason do disrespect others music or entire genres.
Dija, I'm not trying to start a war here, but that post of yours is so ignorant its almost funny.
Here's an experiment for you. Why don't you make a track under a pseudonym with a rather loud k/b combo, throw in some squelch, sweep some fx, top off with 1 lead and see if it gets released and you make some money? 
ON TOPIC though I completely agree that the loudness war needs to stop and that a lot of music today is overcompressed. But that's a different issue entirely.
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Jan 18, 2009 17:56
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On 2009-01-18 00:07, dija wrote:
Yeah but you as the producer should have your instrument at fairly constant levels. It shouldn't be the djs job to turn your track up halfway through the bar because you hit some bass notes that play too loud in.
Your goal as a producer:
Achieve the best flat mix you can. I know a lot of people around here master their own and I do my own ghetto mastering when I am passing a track to some friends. Just get your mix right
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But different producers have different way for the're mix. I play very often as a dj. When I play todays tracks i just use crossfader, and eq ONLY WHEN I mix 2 tracks together. When I play old skool goa, I'm work with eq & gain and good match 2 tracks is therrible to do (often it's just impossible)
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