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spl measurements might be useful while mixing
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xoC
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Posted : May 17, 2013 20:04
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And the frequency response of the ear is not so relevant here, the most important factor is the constant monitoring gain so you know exactly how it is supposed to sound.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : May 17, 2013 20:31
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During study time I learned about this issue the other way - it's disadvantagerous to stay at the same constant monitor level better is to change the spl's to stay on focus and prevent the tiring of hearing. Although almost all people mix at first at (much)too loud levels and should relearn to listen and mix at low levels at the very first stage. additionaly to mix at loud levels only for rather short try outs though. Even in headphones better to mix 'calm'.
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Upavas
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Posted : May 18, 2013 00:06
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A wabbitt... 
Seriously now, I have it around 80-85 with intermittent checks under 60dB SPL, just to get another perspective. I rarely go over 85, quite simply because the room is too small for that kind of thing... one more thing, since the iphone mic has difficult with the low frequencies your spl meter might not be accurate, and since you dear Makus happen to have a sub afaik, I would recheck with a real spl meter when you get a chance......
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makus
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Posted : May 18, 2013 00:52
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A wabbitt...
Seriously now, I have it around 80-85 with intermittent checks under 60dB SPL, just to get another perspective. I rarely go over 85, quite simply because the room is too small for that kind of thing... one more thing, since the iphone mic has difficult with the low frequencies your spl meter might not be accurate, and since you dear Makus happen to have a sub afaik, I would recheck with a real spl meter when you get a chance......
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well, yes i am sure that iphone doesn't measure super accurate, but in my case i don't need the precise number of dbs, i just want to get the same relative level in my room. Nevertheless, numbers i get do makes sense to me. check for yourself, i think you gonna be surprised if you didn't try before.
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makus
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Posted : May 18, 2013 00:54
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monitoring at the same level. man, this makes a lot of sense. why people never advice that? everybody advices room treatment, good monitors... i clearly found this thing by myself.
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Upavas
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Posted : May 18, 2013 02:23
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On 2013-05-18 00:52, makus wrote:
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A wabbitt...
Seriously now, I have it around 80-85 with intermittent checks under 60dB SPL, just to get another perspective. I rarely go over 85, quite simply because the room is too small for that kind of thing... one more thing, since the iphone mic has difficult with the low frequencies your spl meter might not be accurate, and since you dear Makus happen to have a sub afaik, I would recheck with a real spl meter when you get a chance......
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well, yes i am sure that iphone doesn't measure super accurate, but in my case i don't need the precise number of dbs, i just want to get the same relative level in my room. Nevertheless, numbers i get do makes sense to me. check for yourself, i think you gonna be surprised if you didn't try before.
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I have a free SPL meter on my iphone and did compare it to my radioshack spl meter, at about 90 hz or below or so the iphone one flakes out, but yes, they are quite accurate, which came as a surprise to me too...
Why would someone mix at always completely the same levels?
I sometimes hear things at very low level that I did not hear when it was loud. Of course some of you will now with absolute inevitability tell me that this shows how fucked up my room is, but it's not!
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daark
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Posted : May 18, 2013 12:27
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Well beacause we try to get a flat response so we can hear the true mix and not a false mix that would cause you to make wrong mixing decisiouns like bringing down the highs or boosting the low end or something like that because at different volumes it sounds different ... that is why you have monitors in the first place - a flat response so you can hear the true mix. Of course bethoven didn't give a single fuck 
I hate mixing knowing what i hear is false. Its frustrating.
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Posted : May 18, 2013 12:42
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their is imo a better way to calibrate monitoring, is to first use a source that have great translation /great production... check the level it sound the best in your room , and use this as reference level |
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daark
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Posted : May 18, 2013 14:27
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Ofcourse with refference. It's a must to know what you are doing. Random works but my ambition is to know exactly what i am doing as much as possible. To avoid suprises on other systems. And there are a lot of them all the time.
It is easier to not care as much when you have a very simple structure but with more and more layers you have more an more need in percision in the monitoring.
Ok for example you mix on 60db then you hear the pad(a perfect pad ) is too quite. You bring it up a few decibels then you go check on 85db and that pad is too loud in the mix. What would be the right decision? To bring it back down or to leave it as it is?
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Upavas
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Posted : May 22, 2013 08:47
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Why would someone mix at always completely the same levels?
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Well beacause we try to get a flat response so we can hear the true mix and not a false mix that would cause you to make wrong mixing decisiouns like bringing down the highs or boosting the low end or something like that because at different volumes it sounds different ... that is why you have monitors in the first place - a flat response so you can hear the true mix. Of course bethoven didn't give a single fuck
I hate mixing knowing what i hear is false. Its frustrating.
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In my book a mix is good when it sounds more or less the same with different volumes, because of that conclusion I disagree with your assessment. Try making it sound the same with different spl, you might be surprised...
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