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Specific Mastering Issue, Why the volume go's up in the soft parts??
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Spycht
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Posted : Nov 14, 2008 22:46
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An audio example might be in order yeah?
I had a similar problem when I started and it had to do with me having no idea how to make a mixdown. All the low frequencies from my parts were interfering with the kick/bass and vice versa. |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 00:12
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There is another option: Don't go for anything above -12 dB RMS. 
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 15, 2008 01:20
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Yes, it would seem your overall levels are too high, start mixing it again, first kick, then bass, then all the rest. EQ out whatever interferes with your kick-bass situation unless you want that effect to override it all 
and make sure your other parts don't interfere with each other either.
Try to keep it all below -12db RMS, as Alistair suggested.
Once your mix is good render it (and put NOTHING on your master channel) in 24 bit.
Take that rendered file, apply eq, then Maximizer and if needed another eq.
Don't over-maximize!
Good luck!!!
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Serag
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Posted : Nov 17, 2008 18:47
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HI, thank to you guys, as more info i get as clearier i have it.
So at the end was happening 2 things:
1. the lows bass kik were too high.
2. the compresor was very hard and so in this extra volume parts was extra compresing so this is why the volume went down everytime the kik bass entered again.
so i took this extra lows and i went more gentle in the compresion and problem solved.
Also i added a sonnox expander and now is even better.
Tenx bros, really apreciate all.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 18, 2008 15:55
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oh yeah
option 4: dynamic mastering
just lower the tresh of the limiter on this parts hehe
or really use undertow advice lol , but if you are crying when compare to freq or domestic then start practice the art of loudness...
Why djs need compressors? (remember they usualy not controling it tho...)
assume u play at 0db in evry channel as well the master channel to get best levels , you gonna clips while mixing or using effects... thats it. or if you pushing it to the reds something has to protect the system.....
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 00:13
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 19, 2008 02:19
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We can organise an online petition to DJ equipment manufacturers, to ask them to remove "master volume" and "trim" knobs from DJ mixers =)
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Tryptagon
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Posted : Nov 24, 2008 15:57
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On 2008-11-19 02:19, Medea wrote:
We can organise an online petition to DJ equipment manufacturers, to ask them to remove "master volume" and "trim" knobs from DJ mixers =)
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hahaha:),nice one |
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 00:49
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On 2008-11-19 00:13, Upavas wrote:
why not just keep the overall loudness level on the pa so far down that the dj can go into the red as much as he wants, the mixer might distort his sound but nothing would happen to the PA...
I hate dj's that go into the red...
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cause if the I will not go into the red zone it will be low volume on the floor this way???
and probably to make up for it I have to really clip  idiots goddammit...
btw even with limiters when pushing more volume it sometimes add RMS..
what need is the soundman to RAISE the gain of the pa so I can take it down and still have the energy that needed for the floor.
this why i hate small systems.. 20K please minimum (for few hundreds of ppl)
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Upavas
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 01:04
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cause if the I will not go into the red zone it will be low volume on the floor this way???
and probably to make up for it I have to really clip idiots goddammit...
btw even with limiters when pushing more volume it sometimes add RMS..
what need is the soundman to RAISE the gain of the pa so I can take it down and still have the energy that needed for the floor.
this why i hate small systems.. 20K please minimum (for few hundreds of ppl)
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Yeah, I should have written that the soundman should push the sound up again when a real dj comes along. And with a 20k system for a few hundred people no one needs to clip, common! As a matter of fact it pays off so much just to keep it a bit lower than 0, it simply gives you a better dynamic range.
Screw the RMS when all you hear is a senseless overcompressed sound without even a shred of depth.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 04:28
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On 2008-11-25 01:04, Upavas wrote:
Yeah, I should have written that the soundman should push the sound up again when a real dj comes along.
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And with a 20k system for a few hundred people no one needs to clip, common! As a matter of fact it pays off so much just to keep it a bit lower than 0, it simply gives you a better dynamic range.
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exacly , this why i say i want big system , and sometimes still have to clip when its only 4k system.
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Screw the RMS when all you hear is a senseless overcompressed sound without even a shred of depth.
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there is levels of how much u can raise it.. screw he rms is right in theory but not in real life.
usualy 2-3 db into the reds will not damage the sounds that bad (tho i think pioneer 800 sounds really bad once clipping)
with allen&heath mixers no audible distortion at all with even +3 and even more...
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i talk from expirience , as well knowing the theory good enough.. when u see ppl leave the dancefloor on -2db and jump like crazy on +6 believe me as good dj i think you should play clipping session.. it has obvious connection to PA size as well compression settings (bad soundman will compress anything anywayz no matter if u over 0 or not lol)
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 04:33
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On 2008-11-24 15:57, Tryptagon wrote:
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On 2008-11-19 02:19, Medea wrote:
We can organise an online petition to DJ equipment manufacturers, to ask them to remove "master volume" and "trim" knobs from DJ mixers =)
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just learn how to use them right
hahaha:),nice one
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please dont
altho it would be nice if some of those "trim" knobs werent cliping as soon u go tiny bit over 0.. i meen with pioneer u need something like 10 ocklock on the trim to get mastered cd to be at 0 ?? whats the point of that not being the middle? and why with my laptop it does go to 0 with 12 ocklock trim?? pioneer cdj's obviously make somehow louder playback then suposed to be... are they?
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aXis
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Posted : Nov 25, 2008 13:46
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over the top of my head, too much compression.
More deeply, Better use diffrnt compression fr diffrnt part.
But if ur MIX is alright , this problem shudnt appear in the first place. |
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