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Posted : May 27, 2010 14:56
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Cool video. BTW.. It's derogatory to label people by the color of their skin. Fools.
No you are wrong!!
Here in CANADA!! and the States we celebrate something called BLACK HISTORY MONTH I REPEAT BLACK HISTORY MONTH!!!THATS RIGHT BLACK!!!! and it's organized and promoted by Black people and the government.
by the way that is a pretty civilized name for such a self righteous fool. Bloodclot means Fuck and that would be from the Jamaican dialect Patua ,
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Posted : May 27, 2010 15:30
lol. I don't want to twist this topic into something else.. bloodclot means fu**? Self righteous? What are you, some kind of lost priest?
I'm Indian and if anyone had to refer to me as BROWN I'd find it highly offensive. Understandable, in Canada and the US you guys go around calling people that cos of the history in the US being so horrible.
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Posted : May 27, 2010 15:52
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On 2010-05-27 14:56, mica wrote:
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On 2010-05-27 03:40, Bloodclot wrote:
Cool video. BTW.. It's derogatory to label people by the color of their skin. Fools.
No you are wrong!!
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A bit off-topic, but no, he is not wrong. And neither are you. It’s actually a matter of individual opinion. I've met people who want to be called "black" and others who want to be called "African Americans". I even met a few who protest both names and insist on creating a new term altogether. At least that's how it was in Detroit. Maybe it’s different in other places. There is nothing offensive in calling a Polish man “Polack” – unless you do it in American English. Somehow in the US it became a derogatory term. Go figure. Likewise, “Zhid” is an official neutral term for a Jew in most Slavic languages – and a derogatory term in Russian. It’s all about the context. It’s the same about symbols like swastikas and Earth Wheels. Or the Confederate Flag.
About the Black History Month: we also have the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. Does it mean now that it’s OK to call people “colored”?
Anyway, I say “black” until I am asked to change the tune. It did not get me shot yet, and I doubt it will. It’s just a result of my experience – about half of the black people I dealt with are fine with this term. Those who find it offensive are usually pretty polite at pointing it out.
Regardless of the names, I wouldn’t accuse somebody of racism just because his trance party did not include any natives.
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Posted : May 27, 2010 16:34
yes Bloodclot means Fuck in patua
I hear it every day
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Posted : May 27, 2010 16:38
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Regardless of the names, I wouldn’t accuse somebody of racism just because his trance party did not include any natives.
that was not the case it was just a humorous observation because its in Africa
People are way too serious and uptight in this forum sometimes
But i did not call any one a fool
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True. "Fools" was a bit too strong. And a bit too serious. Maybe he's had a bad experience because of his own skin color - who knows. It's all a big off-topic drift, anyway.
Regardless, I think the video is cool.
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Posted : May 27, 2010 17:10
Yes lets get back to topic before we piss off the mods again
Wow great Video ( I wonder how much more we can elaborate on that
Oh and just for the record I have been mugged and beaten by Africans 12 times in portugal, and in one occasion two of them were deciding if they should cut my throat or not while the other was holding the blade to my throat .Talk about bad experience because of your skin color hey?
But like Chris Rock says "I love black people but I hate niggers"
Chris Rock is an African American Comedian
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Posted : May 27, 2010 17:33
I think it was a valid question.
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Posted : May 27, 2010 20:39
well, on the rare occasion you will find black folks attending a party in a civilized manner. just enjoying themselves. happy times.
It is the blacks wondering around the parking area you have to worry about.. in this case i'm not stereotyping.
With white (if im permitted to say white) people hanging around the parking area, the worst that can happen is you can end up in a fist fight over a girl or some shit. (worse case scenario, not likely at psy-parties).
Compared to getting killed for your wallet and cellphone. Or having your car jacked. And this is something you constantly have to pay attention to if you go to your car - if you live around Johannesburg.
anyway, most of time our parties ends without incidents.
just a bunch of happy campers enjoying their time, like you see in the vid
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Posted : May 28, 2010 00:43
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On 2010-05-27 15:30, Bloodclot wrote:
I'm Indian and if anyone had to refer to me as BROWN I'd find it highly offensive. Understandable, in Canada and the US you guys go around calling people that cos of the history in the US being so horrible.
All this stuff is culturally relative. Black and brown are terms that are regularly used in a completely friendly way around here. Nothing racist meant by it. Actually, I go to school with a lot of Indian and Pakistani people and this is often how they self-identify in everyday conversation.
I've also been curious about the apparent racial divide in the South African trance scene... are they just not so interested? It's just a bit strange to me given psytrance culture's pervasive homage to "tribal roots" and all that...
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Posted : May 28, 2010 09:59
Ok.. this is getting wayyy to off-topic.. ahem... Relax guys.... Back to the topic... Umm... Cool video.. But it isnt much of a documentary so to speak.... If it were, should be having excerpts of more than just one party or scenario. And more varied insights... the place.. the history...the people..the present..peek into the future etc etc. It looks more of a party coverage..... But nice one!
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Posted : May 28, 2010 10:10
Yeah, I'd be curious to hear how trance began in South Africa...
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Posted : May 28, 2010 10:33
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Yeah, I'd be curious to hear how trance began in South Africa...
maybe we had some nice ppl who wanted to share this culture in a different..new location...since the previous was gettin really crowded!!! findin new pastures
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Posted : May 28, 2010 12:41
"Trance Africa Express
A history of the development of Psychedelic culture in Cape Town.
Article by Traveler Joe
Goa or Psychedelic trance is a form of electronic music that developed on the beaches of Goa India in the early 1990s.With the worldwide explosion of this form of dance music beyond the borders of India, the first reported outdoor Trance party in South Africa was a small gathering of traveling friends with a ghetto blaster celebrating a birthday on Sandy Bay beach. The year was 1994 & trance had arrived in Cape Town South Africa.
In that same year a young French trance DJ, Dhya visited Cape Town after a life changing Goa experience. On 26 November 1994 he was went to the first Vortex ever produced, an indoor warehouse party called “The Essence of Fluorescence” & introduced to the organizers by mutual friends. A chance meeting that was to have far reaching implications with regards the direction of dance-culture in Africa. At this time dance-music was in its infancy in South Africa with Vortex & Pharcyde producing house orientated monthly warehouse raves.
In February 1995 electronic music enthusiasts were treated to the first outdoor party ever held in Cape Town. Stardust, produced by a German DJ, Fresco-X, was held on the green patch at Scarborough. Suddenly the great outdoors seemed like the place to hold parties. Firmly bitten by the Goa bug & inspired by the blossoming dance sub-culture down here Dhya returned to Cape Town in February that year with a fellow Israeli trance DJ, Yulchi. Armed with DAT’s & hours of psychedelic music they approached Vortex with regards DJing at one of the parties. Even though Vortex was doing big warehouse raves, when they heard the music it was an easy step to agree to let the music be heard.
The first psychedelic trance to be played to an audience happened soon after, at Vortex’s Mayday party at Culemborg in May 1995 to a crowd of about 4000. Needless to say the jump from house to trance in an indoor environment was a huge shock for many people attending & therefore Vortex continued to produce indoor raves through 1995 winter. In September 1995 the Vortex crew, for the purpose of promoting outdoor parties & trance music, formed a splinter organization, called Progression. Three successful Vortex outdoor Progression events were held in the months September to December 1995.
Dhya formed his own party organization, Moonchild Express & began throwing trance parties. In November 1995 the first true outdoor psychedelic party was produced by Conscious Dreams, a collective of foreign travelers in collaboration with Moonchild Express, at East Fort on Chapman’s Peak. They continued to throw parties on a monthly basis usually on or around full moon.
March1996 saw St. Pierre from France booked by Vortex to play at their “Let There be Light” party. He was the first international psychedelic artist ever brought to Africa. In March 1996 Moonchild Express & Conscious Dreams brought out Goa Gil & August 1996 saw Tsuyoshi Suzuki play at Vortex’s “The Art Of Sound” party. Towards the end of 1996 the Conscious Dreams / Moonchild Express collective ended & out of this Alien Safari was born, producing their first event in December 1996.
The millennium saw Vortex produce a hugely internationally acclaimed party on New Years Eve. In collaboration with Etnicanet this party was promoted worldwide & saw over 2000 international travelers attend from all over the world. This was a worldwide groundbreaking event, featuring all the formulative bands of the trance scene. Hallucinogen, X-dream, Total Eclipse, Pleaidians, Kox-Box, Cydonia, Etnica, Tristan, Tim Schuldt, Infected Mushroom, Droidlock, California Sunshine, Bamboo Forest & was at the time the biggest trance party ever held out of Europe. This put South Africa firmly on the map as an international trance destination.
The year 2002 saw a total eclipse on South African soil. Vortex in collaboration with Alien Safari & Etnicant produced the legendary South Africa 2002 eclipse party in tribal lands on the border of the Kruger National Park. The rest as they say is history. With multiple organizations promoting outdoor psy-trance parties on a regular basis, psychedelic culture in Africa was on the go. At present there are outdoor parties almost every weekend through the summer months & trance is firmly established in Cape Town as one of the leading forms of popular youth culture."
In response to Elisdee's comment that "It is the blacks wondering around the parking area you have to worry about.. in this case i'm not stereotyping."
I don't think this boils down to skin colour. The people that'd mug you in the parking lot are often impoverished farm workers (most of the time not even black in the general sense of the word) who see a bunch of middle class inebriated young people as easy targets.
I'd be more worried of the white guy in the throes of methamphetamine psychosis than a poor worker resorting to desperate measures to make some money.
Also, I'm speaking from a Cape Town experience, never been to Joburg so I can't comment.
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Posted : May 28, 2010 12:42
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On 2010-05-28 09:59, Braindrop wrote:
Ok.. this is getting wayyy to off-topic.. ahem... Relax guys.... Back to the topic... Umm... Cool video.. But it isnt much of a documentary so to speak.... If it were, should be having excerpts of more than just one party or scenario. And more varied insights... the place.. the history...the people..the present..peek into the future etc etc. It looks more of a party coverage..... But nice one!
