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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 10:00:11
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Hi everyone,
Let me try to explain myself:
Do you know those sounds that are like they have a big stereo separation, that its like they dont belong to the mix, that they come from the sides, sometimes they sound like they are in the same room as you and not coming from the speakers at all?
I've trye'd phase, putting the sound in 2 channels hard pan left n hard pan right and phasing one of those channels, I've also tryed detuning one of the channels (winch almost got me there), I've also tryed phasers and flangers but it's just not the same as I listen to in many Psytrance tracks.
Maybe I'm not using the right tweaks on the machines...
Can anybody please help?
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gutter
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 11:25
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I think this consists more on how you build the hole mix and the overall timbre so that the sounds you mention will have a brighter nuance that will jump out of the mix, maybe more pronounced at 1-3k, brighter sounds than the rest of whats happening in the mix, maybe im wrong , but try to do this having the timbre in mind and not so much the effects.
Another thing comes to mind is that the rest of the mix has two different reverbs that most of the sounds are placed as wish and there is a certain placement and the sounds you want to jump out have no reverb at all or maybe a very near sounding algorithm.. keep on experimenting 
hope this helps somehow
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 13:04
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a stereo image has 2 basic perspectives i.e left to right and front to back.
1) Panning controls left and the right axis.
2)Reverb,delay,filter,ambience etc control the front and back.
another tip is doubling and detuning. you can make any instrument sound wide,yet centred by putting the same instrument far right 127 and far left 0 and slightly detuning them by around 5-7 cents.
every piece of gear sounds a little different while all synths have 128 theoritical panning values but many of these donot do nething to the sound some only change the actual position 3,7,15th values and some even 31 values. so it is all abt experimenting move things around a little... the more you experiment the more results and finally things will fall into place with a lil time. but u gtta be patient.
PS-always work on your mix without any fx and apply dem towards the end. i personally dont pan nething hard left or hard right coz sometimes it takes up spaces where other sounds need to fit in.
hope this helps
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makus
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 13:09
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On 2010-02-23 13:04, elastic_plastic wrote:
PS-always work on your mix without any fx and apply dem towards the end.
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why is that?
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 13:14
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On 2010-02-23 13:04, elastic_plastic wrote:
PS-always work on your mix without any fx and apply dem towards the end.
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why is that?
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thats a personal opinion.... coz by the end of the day after your ears become accustomed to hearing in your face mix... you will notice that as u add fx your mix becomes muddier,less defined,darker or wad so eva u like to call it. that surely is a sign of you going overboard.
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makus
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 13:35
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Well, I can't really progress much without adding effects, that's why I asked.
I often start a track with kick and bass - eg them, compress, filter out and tweak them until they make me want to dance, then rest of the song goes better. Moreover, i almost have no leads that are processed less with 2 or 3 effects, and at least 50% of sounds which come from synths become absolutely different after processing.
So I'm not sure that limiting self by restricting to use effect processors helps
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 13:57
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On 2010-02-23 13:35, makus wrote:
Well, I can't really progress much without adding effects, that's why I asked.
I often start a track with kick and bass - eg them, compress, filter out and tweak them until they make me want to dance, then rest of the song goes better. Moreover, i almost have no leads that are processed less with 2 or 3 effects, and at least 50% of sounds which come from synths become absolutely different after processing.
So I'm not sure that limiting self by restricting to use effect processors helps
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bro i never said do not use fx.... but like i said its a personal choice wether u like using dem as soon as u work on ur track or towards the end of the mix.... i use fx too but always towards the end of my mix....
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 14:28
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i think you re looking for sounds that cancel in mono , out of phase ,but it s not something you want... but they do sound like coming out of the speakers, try some tricks with reversing the phase of one chanel, might help to get there |
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gutter
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 14:58
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^^ about what Pom said i remembered something, if you have the PSP-84 delay it has an option where you can reverse each side separately, reversing one side and play with pre-fader volumes and the amount of panning can get sounds to jump out of the mix (or with any plugin having such an option logically)
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 15:06
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ne link where i can find this psp 84 delay? would luv to try it out!!! |
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 15:33
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On 2010-02-23 13:14, elastic_plastic wrote:
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On 2010-02-23 13:09, makus wrote:
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On 2010-02-23 13:04, elastic_plastic wrote:
PS-always work on your mix without any fx and apply dem towards the end.
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why is that?
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thats a personal opinion.... coz by the end of the day after your ears become accustomed to hearing in your face mix... you will notice that as u add fx your mix becomes muddier,less defined,darker or wad so eva u like to call it. that surely is a sign of you going overboard.
just my 2 cents....
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That's not what I've found in my experience. If I'm adding an effect the whole point is to make it more mix friendly than it was in the first place.
Until the main sounds are fully processed I have no idea what kind of remaining space I have for the ambience in the back of the mix or how much detail I can put on a pad, or where to put the high end detail on my kick and bass etc.
Mix as you go is what I say. |
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 15:37
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On 2010-02-23 13:14, elastic_plastic wrote:
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On 2010-02-23 13:09, makus wrote:
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On 2010-02-23 13:04, elastic_plastic wrote:
PS-always work on your mix without any fx and apply dem towards the end.
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why is that?
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thats a personal opinion.... coz by the end of the day after your ears become accustomed to hearing in your face mix... you will notice that as u add fx your mix becomes muddier,less defined,darker or wad so eva u like to call it. that surely is a sign of you going overboard.
just my 2 cents....
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That's not what I've found in my experience. If I'm adding an effect the whole point is to make it more mix friendly than it was in the first place.
Until the main sounds are fully processed I have no idea what kind of remaining space I have for the ambience in the back of the mix or how much detail I can put on a pad, or where to put the high end detail on my kick and bass etc.
Mix as you go is what I say.
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personal choice like i said earlier bro  |
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 15:46
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On 2010-02-23 10:00:11, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
Hi everyone,
Let me try to explain myself:
Do you know those sounds that are like they have a big stereo separation, that its like they dont belong to the mix, that they come from the sides, sometimes they sound like they are in the same room as you and not coming from the speakers at all?
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I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but if rather than panning a sound you have 2 copies of it on two different tracks and delay one of the tracks on one side you can emulate delay it takes for a sound to reach your first ear and last ear. Like if you delay the sound on the left it sounds like it's coming from the right.
I know what you mean about some sounds being in the room though. However I think this depends on the sound itself and the room. There's probably a more deliberate way to get this effect, however on a large rig I find tricks like this a bit pointless |
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Feb 23, 2010 18:54
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Thanks a lot guys I shall try to experiment the sugestions metioned NOW... |
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Elad
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