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mk47
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 06:03
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what do u all make of the finnish crew ? crazy happy and some of the most fun and funny vibrant colorful psycho trance ever .. yet it lacks in production value , theres some very high quality stuff like what exogenic records releases , but apart from that .. it seems to me as if they dont really put a high premium on the `sound` .. as in technically its not the best produced psytrance , even a relative novice like me , or anyone with little or perhaps zero knowledge of music production can tell . u think they`d loose out on the `flow` , that very special suomi `vibe`if they spend more time fitting and tweaking their sound more ?
tough call eh ? for them .. if by doing so they would indeed loose out on their very special `vibe` ..
also , the guys at schlab , b.o.t.f.b. , ka sol , etc ..
read up on their music making style here http://listen.to/Schlab
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 07:42
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Freeflow - Im actually not against any innovation, kick + bass be damned. If it sounds cool its fine. 
I just want people to make deeper music, whatever they wanna do. Thats all.
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The kick + bass drone effect creates the trancelike state and focuses the listener on the lead instruments. Its pretty much the point of psy. But if u do the same effect in a cooler way, you'll get hurrahs from me. |
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panoz
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 13:10
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go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_trance
and see what it says in the Commercial Success section. "In recent years, sales of psychedelic trance have been falling. The decline was : -2,8% in 2001, and -8,8% in 2002..."
this music is getting lousy and people dont buy it.as simple as that.record labels should get a lesson from that and artists too.some say it's the music of the future.i say it's the music with no future if it stays that way.
also from wikipedia: "The emphasis in psychedelic trance is placed strongly on purely synthesized timbres in terms of programming and lead melodies." i dont hear any melodies nowadays.am i deaf or is it that psychedelic dont have any real melodies(melodies that are really worth something.not only arpeggios)? |
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unproject
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 13:50
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also from wikipedia: "The emphasis in psychedelic trance is placed strongly on purely synthesized timbres in terms of programming and lead melodies." i dont hear any melodies nowadays.am i deaf or is it that psychedelic dont have any real melodies(melodies that are really worth something.not only arpeggios)?
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Neither... You are just taking Wikipedia too seriously. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 17:37
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I completely disagree with this lack of creativity thing. In any form of music there is always going to be a pop-scene, which is a sound people know and love which has very similar tricks and arrangements and it's only inferior in the minds of those who don't appreciate it. Think of vocals, guitars, bass and drums, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, middle 8, double verse, double chorus and out. Thats a pretty damn old formula which is still being done to this day just as it ever was.
The attachment to individual artists comes from the love for the personality and the individual message within the media which is perfectly valid.
People in these circles look upon more experimental music as pretentious or unlistenable because because they don't have a desire for progression. They don't want to come home after a hard days work and press a random button only to be presented with some random drink in a vase. They want to have a beer as this is what they like to drink and associate with winding down.
On the other hand I hear some trance these days which lends more to manipulation of externally recorded sounds from the real world, using structures never heard before that do it all, can't be defined as any specific style, (though those who don't understand it will) and is a total breath of fresh air.
The important thing is it's all out there, even if you have to look quite hard for it.
If it isn't then make it yourself.
Also lets not forget that psy trance is still pretty young and if there is some stuff thats creative but not produced particularly well then in a few years to come it's going to be a little more polished and hopefully still nice and original.
Be optimistic about experimental psychedelic music, because it's got a long way to go. |
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slyman604
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 19:05
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On 2007-03-15 17:37, soulfood wrote:
The important thing is it's all out there, even if you have to look quite hard for it.
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actually im sure thats true. can you give some examples who you were talking about?
As much as people complain about sub genre labels(labels as in categories, not record labels) i actually think we need alot more. I use to be able to find new stuff by keeping an eye on saikosounds new releases but there is just too much now to keep up with release wise. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 20:17
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I can tell you who I like at the moment but it doesnt mean you'll like it, most don't but:
Derango, Furious, Jellyheadz, Gappeq... just this moment discovered krumelur whose got some interesting ideas, can't forget the nommos, always room for sensient |
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 16, 2007 07:57
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Soulfood - I think this thread exists because people think the popular shit is unnaccepteable, in which case they are looking for a direction forward, not because they're looking for niche bands. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 16, 2007 17:26
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On 2007-03-16 07:57, bukboy wrote:
Soulfood - I think this thread exists because people think the popular shit is unnaccepteable, in which case they are looking for a direction forward, not because they're looking for niche bands.
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Correction... I think this thread exists because SOME people think that popular "shit" is unacceptable and those of us who know what we like don't complain because we don't have to listen to it and there's loadsa good stuff out there...
I think you just made me repeat myself |
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 00:38
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fullon music, the 90% of the nowadays commercial shit... is the same same same formulas... it sucks! I rather lack of production (just dont blow the speakers!), than cheese repetitive sissy not propositive trips.
 melt your brain!!! otherwise is not psychedelic experience... |
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dija
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 06:46
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On 2007-03-16 07:57, bukboy wrote:
Soulfood - I think this thread exists because people think the popular shit is unnaccepteable, in which case they are looking for a direction forward, not because they're looking for niche bands.
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Correction... I think this thread exists because SOME people think that popular "shit" is unacceptable and those of us who know what we like don't complain because we don't have to listen to it and there's loadsa good stuff out there...
I think you just made me repeat myself
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Everyone knows what they like. When we want something new we don't want to sift through 1000 dark/full on releases to get to it. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 07:58
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Soulfood - So then propose a way to sift thru the shit without wasting gigs of bandwidth and hours of time to find one song.
I mean you understand the problem so provide a solution. The creationsts shout evolution is wrong, but theyre very silent on any alternatives. Theyre only objection in reality is that they dont like evolution coz it says FU to religion.Of course if u have no solutions then stop getting in the way. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 17:34
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Ok... I'm smiling now <----- see!
What you have to understand is people make what sort of music they want to make. It's called freedom of creativity and it's a wonderful thing. If it turns out most people want to make a sort of music you don't like, there's pretty much nothing you can do about it short of taking their studios away or whatever. As you don't have the power to do this (and if you did it would just be mean of you) then you're going to have to look around a bit to find music you like.
If you arent willing to do this then maybe you don't like the music enough? It's not that hard.
I love it when I come across something so special, it feels like a significant moment in my life. That cd that gives you a special vibe you've never felt before and can listen to all the way through and appreciate it's originality and be inspired by that special way it seems to speak to you so individually.
Now once you've found something you really like, similar artists are not too far away. Check their labels, their sideprojects, the work of people they have collaborated with. Find out who they were inspired by. This will then lead down a trail you can keep following until you feel you need to taste something else.
There are no magic machines which will read your brain and designate you a custom made cd. The chances are, not even you know what you want to listen to and will be pleasantly surprised when you finally hear it.
Did I really need to say all this?
Read a review. Does it appeal to you? Then check out the music!
It's a big old world out there full of many different people with different tastes.
If by some freak occurance the music you like becomes mainstream by tomorrow morning and you don't have to look hard to find your perfect sound many other people will. Guess what? You can't keep everyone happy.
Solution = Ask, Read, Listen, Learn.
Do you think when a great dj starts to play records he/she has a mass pile of tunes which are their own original style? No! They have to look and refine what it is about his/her tastes which makes their own sets so unique, then people will start sending tracks which he/she may like.
I spend most of my time searching for great music and I really don't mind listening to 100 records that arent to my taste if it means eventually I stumble across something I havent heard anything like before in my life which takes me to the next level.
Unless you are into popular culture music this is the only way.
Get used to it.
And have a nice day |
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 17:56
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Obviously the solution to the creativity problem is no solution coz there is no creativity problem. How could I be so blind and deaf?
Every1 must just look for the music they like, but if they like their own unprofessinal stuff already then theres no reason to improve it coz its already creative. doh!
Im so stupid, trying to get people to see what objectively makes up good or crap music, like performance, complexity, composition skills. This is all irrelevant because, well, some1 else somewhere out there is doing stuff that I like, so I dont have to bother making it myself. Lets just skip development of skills and look for cool music. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 17, 2007 18:37
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Sorry Bukboy, but... do you know how to debate without using sarcasm or getting offensive in the slightest? It just seems for a gentleman of mature age... ya know?
And yes, the reason for making your own music is to correct something in music that you believe should be done another way. Remember I said that in a post I made about structure where you also seemed to argue with me for the sake of it after your point had been accepted. Two people can be right about different things you know?
But you can also make music for the fun of making music in which case originality isnt essential and you can't stop people from doing that. So... there!
Anyway all's forgiven.
I understand you're frustrated about something within yourself and feel the need to take it out on others.
We can still be friends and go on play dates etc.
I'll look forward to hearing your track when it's released and I tell you the way you hold yourself like a shining candle to the dark of the world... it'd better be pretty good |
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