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panoz
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 15:27
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why is everyone so obsessed with sound quality nowadays?i mean is it just me or do you also think that full on is getting kinda boring?(there some exceptions of course).people should pay more attention into making something unique.where's the imagination psychedelic is all about?80% of full on sounds the same.back in the days you would listen a new track and say oh it's astral projection for example just by the style of the track.everyone used to have a unique sound.now when you hear a new track it could be anyone's.that's a little dissapointing. |
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 16:39
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whe are in the era of loudness and super clear mixes so many production tricks are formulated and adopted by many producers to achieve an even and sure resolt without the need for experimentation!
its like prefixed cakes u just need to bake them in ur oven they taste nice tho but the home made tastes better but it can always burn or not make tasty ur home made cake but also u will never advance/learn new recipes if u dont try!
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panoz
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 16:49
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nice one good point  now,can i have some of the cake?  |
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TuK
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 17:33
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in order for a track to be good you need both creativity and good sound. but its the same with all kinds of music just that in electronic music the artist is also the mixing engineer and that means that a good electronic musiction has to be good at both rolls. if you are very talented at composing tracks its not enough if the mix isnt good the track will sound teribble and also the opposite way around.
and to answer your question i think that their is a
good reason that people are obsessed with sound quality its a very important part of the whole track, thats what gives the track its power and clearity not only creativity.
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 19:34
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Originality is another function of sound quality IMO.
Do you imagine yourself listeing to Massive Attack or Shpongle in 8 bit quality? It will suck bigtime and you will not hear the originality as it should be.
Good sound is essential nowdays. Maybe it wasnt on the days of the tape cassetes and walkmans, but nowdays it is.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 19:44
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First of all, what is good production depends on your individual preference.
Personally I find a lot of the current trance music to be far to cleanly produced. It's like 80's pop music...all EQ'ed and perfectly balanced levels just kills music IMO.
Good is not about separating sound to the max making sure you have no phase issues or controlling you dynamics levels so no masking or loud surprises occur.
That's clean production and is fairly easy to master, but if it's good or not is in the ears of the beholder.
Secondly for me the content is a lot more important than the presentation.
With regular music I can for sure listen to a 60 year old recording and appreciate it a lot even if it is a grainy old recording with no dynamics.
With electronic music production and creativity is very much intertwined, and making it sound interesting is a creative task just as creating rhythms or riffs.
But having said that, if a track has really interesting sound but not a really strong kick and bass I still much prefer it to one of all the tracks that have really strong kick and bass but doesn't come across as creative to me.
Making a track sound creative is a lot harder than making it sound cleanly produced and makes it more rewarding to listen to as well as commands more respect to the producer in my book.
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jivamukti
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 20:29
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Almost anyone can reach technical excellence, but creativity and originality are a completely different ballgame. Most choose to or can't do anything but make the same ****shit everyone else is making.
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panoz
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 21:16
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jivamukti you got exactly my point.i didnt say sound quality doesnt matter.but it's not the only thing in music.listening to a greatly engineered song is not enough to enjoy it.after all i like to hear this music in my car or at home and not only in parties with thousand watts of sound where you obviously need this sound quality.i'm tired of this full on nonsense.maybe its just my opinion but this music is loosing the point.its not about trippy music and melodies anymore like goa used to be.its all about kicking your brains out as hard it can. |
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 21:19
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yep, psychodelia lost to clear production. definatly.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 22:03
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 3, 2007 22:53
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how about both?
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panoz
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Posted : Mar 4, 2007 03:46
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of course both.but with a good balance between them.not one overlaping the other.which is what happens as far as i know |
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dija
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Posted : Mar 4, 2007 04:01
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Most psy trance is very simple music. That is why sound quality is so important. Most psy relies on a simple kick and groovey bassline to keep you going. Most of this stuff doesn't have any melody to keep you interested so they try to keep you interested with sound design and they fail imo. With the advent of computers every joe and their mom is now making psy trance. Thus, a lot of the originality has been sucked out of it and everyone is just copying each other so they get released. To be honest most of it is trash yet it still gets released. It is really hard to find an artist that has both great melodic progressions and great sound design. Astral projection although it is not complex music either it focuses on melodic progressions which is a much more suitable way for dance music in my opinion. My personal vision is to see some melodic progressions of that caliber with the bass lines of today.
I can't stress how hard it is to find good music now days. Think that only 5 percent of people that write music are any good at it. Now with computers and everyone producing music you have to wade through MUCH MUCH more to get to the diamonds. However, the benefit of that is there is also some really unique stuff going on if you can find it and people who would otherwise not have been able to discover their music ability are able to. |
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Posted : Mar 4, 2007 05:06
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I don't think good sound quality has anything to do with any lack of creativity. I think we should strive for the best sound quality possible at all times. This should not inhibit the musical aspects of our music.
I think rather that the times have changed.
Most of the people listening to Psytrance are not really in the alternative circuit any more. They are not world travels or hippies. They don't do innordinate amounts of psychedelic drugs. (Although loads of other drugs are consumed). They live fast lives in a fast passed society where instant satisfaction is de rigeure.
Traveling is much easier and cheaper and no more something reserved to the adventurous and bold explorers of new territories. It is hard to find remote places where captilalism and its selfish greed driven culture hasn't affected things at least a bit.
We have lost our innocence. We are living in an age of (alledged) global terrorism. We are much more aware of how multinational corporations are raping mother earth and entire nations and their inhabitants. We know the people running the show are mostly corrupt, stupid or both at the same time.
We have global warming yet governments are more interested in their short term political and financial gain than addressing this very real problem. We all know oil is running out and poluting our planet yet, instead of spending billions on renewable and sustainable energy, governments prefer to spend billions on invading souvereign nations to control their oil fields. (Or control our drug intake).
Is it safe to let our minds wander too much when we might end up in a mental nightmare rather than a beautifull dream?
Also, there are many more things to distract us and compete for our limited attention. Ten million TV channels, a quadrilion websites, music films and videos downloadable at the click of a button. It is at the same much harder and easier to get bored.
Much harder because there is so much to entertain us yet so easy because it is all the same relentless crap.
Not so long ago, if you were bored you would have to entertain yourself by reading a book, going out to meet your friends, wonder into nature or spend hours in the studio tweaking sounds to psychedelic delight.
It pays much less to entertain yourself because entertainement is now so cheap. You just turn on the TV and zone-out or go to YouTube and watch some silly video of some silly person doing something stupid.
The type of stimulation has changed too. Just look at the way that TV programs are made these days. They are fast and intense rather than stylish, moody, emotional, thought provoking and well thought out. They are delivered in small doses intercut by loud in your face commercials pimping the latest products of the day.
Entertainement has become more about brainless hypnotic overstimulation that tends to numb you rather than titillate your brain into new ideas and thoughts. You hardly have time to even use your imagination while watching TV because if you let your mind dream off for too long you have probably missed half the plot of the TV show you are watching.
Also the tools we use to create our sonic dreams have changed. We have thousands of ready made VST presets and samples that make it very hard even for the most dedicated not to use or abuse. It is much less satisfying to spend hours tweaking your hardware synth to come up with that original killer sound when you know that the kid next door will install the latest version of Absynth or whatever and kick your sonic butt in a matter of seconds.
The expectations of new producers has also changed. It took (and usualy still takes) years to get to a professional level of production but kids now want instant results and instant releases. The obvious way to achieve this is to use all those easily available tools and copy any ideas that seem fit.
No, I don't think that sound quality really is the problem. The world has changed and so has our music.
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On 2007-03-03 15:27, panoz wrote:
why is everyone so obsessed with sound quality nowadays?i mean is it just me or do you also think that full on is getting kinda boring?(there some exceptions of course).people should pay more attention into making something unique.where's the imagination psychedelic is all about?80% of full on sounds the same.back in the days you would listen a new track and say oh it's astral projection for example just by the style of the track.everyone used to have a unique sound.now when you hear a new track it could be anyone's.that's a little dissapointing.
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Since 8 years now you can read such dissapointment claims... "fullon is getting kinda boring". I thought this was already past tense ;/
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