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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 04:39:21
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Hi,
I've noticed that each DAW got a different behavior how it actually mix sounds.
For example in one DAW sounds tend to mask each other in another not.
Or another example, you have one kick running and when you pull up other sounds the kick gets unstable and loose energy while in another DAW the kick keeps stable.
Why does something like this happen? How can I make all DAWs stable sounding? |
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Suloo
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 04:53
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hehe
a very cool post for your first one actualy 
hope you`ll find the answer..
cheers
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 04:57
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I m just wondering if you simply can't go around theses issues and just have to live with 'em? |
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Suloo
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 05:02
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learn them , work them out,or just stick to one..
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 12:41
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I think the main difference between audio programs is the summing on the master channel output. Ive been told by people who have used most of the commercial programs, Cubase/Nuendo, Ableton, Logic, ProTools that Steinberg programs do not have good summing, Logic and Ableton can handle much better all the "info" and mostly the low frequencies area which is the loudest spot in a dance mix.
But anyway these are words from well trained ears, i dont have that experience to say my opinion on that, btw i use nuendo too  so ...
just an encyclopedic note
imo dont worry on such issues focus on music
here you say
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true..but thats NOT the programs problem.. just EQ the other sound to dont overlap with some of the kicks characteristics, simple
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-=Mandari=-
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 15:33
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try around, its exactly the reason gutter mentioned. the different summing engine of these daws.
there was a good thread here i dont remember the heading, sorry.... but it was the same at the end.
and if i remember right i read an article about this stuff with clearly logic supposed to have the best summing at the end.
i work on ableton and have to say i never experienced these issues. anyway in the thread here on isratrance many people should have a listen to two different files that time and most here heared the difference and could tell which daw was playin what.... and i remember good, it was clearly audible imo.... one file was just more muddy with not that nice seperation of the few sounds than the other.
imo logic and ableton offers the best summing, BUT i did not try many other things and only worked on older cubase versions and stuff like that. theres so many new things and between these i read about cubase5 having fixed this issue by new way of summing.... dunno, up to u. only thing matters is what YOU hear. a well trained ear does not have to mean that its better than yours
maybe someone else will pick it up here 
cheerz
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 16:00
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logic and bass ? In my opinion Logic sound much thinner than cubase.
And fl is the masker
Roland MV8000 sounds PHAT with silky highs but got a pretty boxed sound not as Hifi as for example PTHD
I asked Steinberg if Nuendo and Cubase have a different Mixing Engine.
They told me that the have the SAME Engine.
Maybe only a matter of taste.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 16:17
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On 2009-10-02 16:00, INNUR wrote:
And fl is the masker
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i truly hope this is not true.
I've heard some excellent productions made in FL. many artists here use FL.
i have seen this topic before on another forum and it did not have a conclusion,,
Mandari,
Where did u find the "article about this stuff with clearly logic supposed to have the best summing at the end."?
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 16:45
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I guess its all about taste , unless it sounds good for your ears its good. Some like it warm and mouldy, some like it hitech metal. |
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Martinlivet
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 17:04
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According to GOL, the programmer of FLstudio there is no such thing as difference in summing,.its all just simple math 2+2+2+2+2....
Only difference would be if there were some effect on master channel. And of course panning law and bit dept make a difference. So, 32 bit float, 44.1 khz is sounding the same in all daws. |
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 2, 2009 17:12
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yeh developewrs say things like this of course just listen ... and compare |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 12:19
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INNUR,
do you understand what 'panning law' is?
when using the -3 circular reduction (which is ON default with FL), the stereo center will be softer (where my bass usually is), with volume gradually applied to the sides.
-This might be the reason why you think you are perceiving masking and/or a difference between DAWs
using the 0 reduction triangle option, the center pops right out and volume is less gradually applied to the sides.
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 12:25
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On 2009-10-04 12:19, *eLliSDee* wrote:
INNUR,
do you understand what 'panning law' is?
when using the -3 circular reduction (which is ON default with FL), the stereo center will be softer (where my bass usually is), with volume gradually applied to the sides.
-This might be the reason why you think you are perceiving masking and/or a difference between DAWs
using the 0 reduction triangle option, the center pops right out and volume is less gradually applied to the sides.
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yes I have the technical Background. But that masking also occurs with mono channels whereas the pan law might be less important
Its like that channels steal the energy from each other whyever.
I just curious so peace to ya all |
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 14:24
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INNUR
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Posted : Oct 4, 2009 14:36
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On 2009-10-04 14:24, Elad wrote:
well judge from VA's results there is no 'better' sequencer. there is better artists and better soundman and better mastering sure..
work with what brings the best out of you 
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