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***MuziK_Therapist***
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Posted : May 2, 2006 17:44
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Hello everyone,
Iam using my son's ID to ask this question to all those who helped him understand about the music creation in his previous post"for a beginner"....
I got him FL Studio last month, he is just 16 and dont have friends who can teach him that software, i checked about it on website there is a small institute nearby (We are in New Delhi, India) and they have a similar course where they are teaching a diffrent software named Nuendo and about mics n mixers its a 3 months course and they call it Sound engineering,
he has great interest in music so I dont mind making him join that institute but would be of any help for him or a illogical step, or should i wait for 2-3 yrs and then let him join that institute.., being a father i have to make sure he joins a healthy career.
Iam sorry for causing trouble to the decorum of this website and understand you are not responsible for any limitations, but put youself in my shoes and think i have no issues how things go on this website...
Thanks.
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parapsyched
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Posted : May 2, 2006 17:47
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dr##s have nothing to do with he`s learining process. and i believe that if the institute is a good one he will learn alot. and about him "straying" off the road u think is right . well it`s a matter of education and choice. if u trust yourself and him... let him go his own way.
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***MuziK_Therapist***
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Posted : May 2, 2006 17:58
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well D is not the bottom line for me i think one shud taste all the fruits of life but that software and choosing sound engineering was my major concern because i was advised by some people that sound engineering is technical part whereas if you want to create music you must join a music school or some Gurus....i dint mean hurting anyones feeling evrything is made by that Creator so whoever does it is chosen by Him only....hope u undrstand sir.
  Music exercises the brain. Playing an instrument, for instance, involves vision, hearing, touch, motor planning, emotion, symbol interpretation--all of which activate different brain systems. |
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fregle
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Posted : May 2, 2006 18:58
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well, most people here are autodidacts. So it's not absolutely necessary to follow any courses, but it certainly helps and is very usefull!
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/7700/forum/2
is a great place to start if you don't know anything about music. There are links here to pages where they explain harmony (about notes, melodies,...), synthesizing (creating sounds with synthesizers) and producing (recording everything so it sounds even better).
To get going with fruityloops there are a lot of visual tutorials on the image line website (the creators of fruityloops), and there are some very well explained tutorials in the manual. I don't think there are courses for this program though.
"if he gets into trance music he will get into D****": that's quite a cruel assumption (i don't do drugs and i'm going to parties for over 10 years now)... If ur son doesn't have friends doing drugs, or if he is selfconfident enough, he won't start doing drugs... Ofcourse, 16 is a very fragile age, so it's probably better to wait untill he's 18-20 before letting him go to parties (i'm playing advocate for the devil here...) but as i said, if his friends don't do drugs there is virtually no danger that he will start doing drugs, even if he is 16. |
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jivamukti
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Posted : May 2, 2006 19:18
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Hey it's completely ok to ask those questions here.
The course deals with only the technical side of music excluding music theory, which while helpful may not be enough to enable him to make music. In addition after learning Nuendo, he'll have to figure out things specific to FL Studio. He needs to learn synthesis, and music theory wouldn't hurt either.
Electronic music is demanding for those who work alone because they have to be able to do everything themselves: melody, harmony, rhythms, mixing...
You should tell him he has to be patient; learning all those things and how to apply them in practise way takes a long time.
By the way I don't use drugs either and never have wanted to do so.
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hydrakik
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Posted : May 5, 2006 20:54
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umm... i would say why dont u give me a call if yaa see this...msg..im in delhi and have recently finished.. my diploma in audio from sae,chennai...and am headin to its hq at byron bay...to pursue a degree in recording arts..i do make elektronik musik and am currently studyin tablas..pt kishen maharj place at varanasi..i guess i can help..cause i was sittin at the same decision about 2 yrs back..
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hydrakik
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Posted : May 5, 2006 20:56
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hydrakik
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psykoactiv
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Posted : May 7, 2006 01:48
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make sure he finishes school first n then does the sound course.. am in mumbai.. and i did my course from SAE, mumbai.. but i finished my schooling n then my graduation from DU as well.. though the graduation never came in handy to me..
but i understand wat ur facing right now.. its a tough choice for a father specially in a country like india where 99% dads dont even know a career in audio exists.. my pop also freaked when i told him am getting into audio for a career..
also post the name of the institute ur planning to send him to.. the course content.. n other credentials of the institute if possible.. if u want i can maybe lead u to some fellow professional sound engineer friends of mine working in delhi, making electronic music n have done the same course as me..
ur support for ur son will go a long way in helping him shape up his career.. keep the spirit.. its not an easy way up specially in india..
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NikC
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Posted : May 7, 2006 22:49
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Firstly, big respect for bringing this topic up, and also respect for being interested in the creative pursuits of your son. I also think I know what he is going through...I'm 18 myself and have been making electronic music for a quite a long time (about 8 years) and have taught myself, apart from the last year or so where I've come into contact, and had advice and production discussions with some great producers (big thanks specially to Colin OOOD )
A year ago I was myself contemplating completely giving up my education for the sake of pursuin music, however.. I decided not to, and kept myself at school... Doing A-levels now (grr haha)
To answer your question however, I don't feel that a sound-engineering/sound tech etc. course would be a better option to getting experience... Of course it is an option... and one I'm considering too, as I want to pursue a more advanced understanding of the intricacies of sound design... however, it's what i've learnt from seeing others work, and having a go myself that has taught me the most. If he can try and get work experience at a Studio that would also be extremely helpful, I'm also trying to do that at the moment.
Forums like this one are also fantastic and filled with great knowledge...
Anyway... not sure if this answers your questions, but big respect for caring about your son's interests... I wish him all the best !
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hummingbird
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Posted : May 12, 2006 21:44
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Dear Sir Mr Father-Of-Muzik-Therapist,
I am 34 years old and I am married with two small children. My daughter is 8 years old and my son is shortly turning 6.
I am young enough to remember the questions you are asking and I think I am now old enough to maybe be able to help a little bit in answering them.
If your son wishes to learn how to use music for religious purposes and for healing purposes it would be well for him to study under the gurus.
If your son wishes to learn how to use music as a path of spiritual growth, learning and devotion then it shall be well for him if he should study under the gurus until such time as he would meet his guru.
If your son wishes to learn how to make music which builds bridges between the cultures of the east and the west it would be well for him if he spent time at a suitably accredited school of music education. For example, when I was 19 years old I spent a year studying Jazz Composition as well as Music Production at the Pretoria Technikon school of Light Music, here in South Africa and it is a year I will never forget.
Gassho
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sy000321
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Posted : May 12, 2006 22:10
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On 2006-05-02 17:44, ***MuziK_Therapist*** wrote:
and they have a similar course where they are teaching a diffrent software named Nuendo and about mics n mixers its a 3 months course and they call it Sound engineering,
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i think psytrance production has little to do with learning how to properly mic a vocal, drumset, etc.
most schools, if not 100% direct to electronic will spend to much time on these subjects, that while very interesting are not direct towards his goal and can be frustrating, deceiving, etc.
if you're going to spend $$$ make sure you'll get want you real want
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hummingbird
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Posted : May 12, 2006 22:45
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i think psytrance production has little to do with learning how to properly mic a vocal, drumset, etc.
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Au Contreir Monsieur!
But it trains the ear to hear frequency content which is not ordinarily audible.
Which is not to say that there aren't any other ways to receive this training, but that's how I learnt.
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most schools, if not 100% direct to electronic will spend to much time on these subjects, that while very interesting are not direct towards his goal and can be frustrating, deceiving, etc.
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Didn't patience used to be a _virtue_ ?!?!
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sy000321
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Posted : May 12, 2006 23:29
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ok. then you would recomend typewritter trainning before beggining to learn a word processor?
16 year olds are not known for their patience.
recording is a complete diferent subject than producing (they have things in common like electronics have to do with computers, but you dont need to know electronics to know most computer subjects).
time and money would be much more well spent learning some music teory or really learning production.
i have 5 years experience as a teacher and from that i can tell you that learning should always be directed towards your goal.
the question is: are you trying to help your son to learn to do the things HE loves, or trying to fullfill YOUR interests on how do you think his education should be?
learning is always cool, but young ones tend to avoid it when they get frustrated by not learning what they would like to. most kids that quit school is not because they dont want to learn but because they dont have the smallest interest for what is being taught.
only my opinion
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