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Sound Card Recommendation

Tomos
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Posted : Apr 23, 2009 19:19:15
I wouldn't normally post equipment advice requests because I am happy to do my own research, but I'm totally stumped by this.

I've been using my Virus TI as a soundcard for almost a year because I've been too poor to afford anything new - or at least I didn't want to buy something cheap and regret it later.

I use a high end DAC (Benchmark DAC-1) so I don't care about sound card output quality (I'll just use the SPDIF out, which doesn't affect sound quality using the DAC)

There is *SO* much choice of cards and all I want is to be able to plug all my devices in and maybe have a couple of spare inputs. But I'd like decent converters as I'll be recording vocals eventually.

My devices are

Virus TI
Nord 2X
Microphone (haven't purchased this yet)
Toneport UX1

I'm pretty sure I've got everything I'll ever want (famous last words) so I only need enough inputs for these.

Usual stuff like stability and low latency is essential.

Also, I need to be able to record into soundforge/audition from within Windows from a DVD or Movie file for samples. ie - when I hit record, it records the sound from the stereo mix.

I tried to solve this all myself - so about 6 months ago I bought a Motu 828 Mk II. I thought for the price it looked like a very reasonable piece of gear.

A week later and it was already back in the shop. The biggest piece of junk I've ever had the misfortune of wasting my time with. I couldn't record sound in Windows, it crashed all the time, latency was awful.. there were about 15 fatal issues with it that I just couldn't live with.

Anyway. I've listed my requirements. Suggestions would be fantastic.

Thanks everyone.
XuN
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Posted : Apr 24, 2009 11:27
Maybe take a look at theese :
http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?objectid=703

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta1010.html

http://www.dv247.com/invt/61549/

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gutter
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Posted : Apr 24, 2009 11:49
I dont know the amount of money you want to give but the Fireface 400 is a "standard" solution for your needs, if you go further with equipment then you might need something with more in/outs, but this will cover you and has decent converters and mic preamp and lots of routing possibilities within the channels in the mixer to record sound the way you want, i am very satisfied with it
anything better will go over 1000euro and anything worse, is just worse
maybe check for used ones too like Metric Halo, or a FF800,, depends too much on the amount youll spend again , good luck
vegetal
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 12:27
If you want to record directly within windows, i think that eliminates your possibilities to use a external soundcard. I have never been able to do that with any of my previous external soundcards.

Anyone that can confirm ?           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 15:15
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On 2009-04-29 12:27, vegetal wrote:
If you want to record directly within windows, i think that eliminates your possibilities to use a external soundcard. I have never been able to do that with any of my previous external soundcards.

Anyone that can confirm ?




you mean without a sequencer? i can record whatever comes out of my master out, but using the sequencer always
vegetal
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 16:09
yeah without a sequencer, using like...... wavelab or any other standalone recorder. the only way i can record is by using "sound tap" which acts as a device between the application and the sounddriver.           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
http://www.devilsmindrecords.org/
http://www.myspace.com/vegetalmusic
http://www.checkpoint-music.com/
gutter
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 16:25
can you playback audio with other applications when wavelab is running? im asking because i dont know if it lets you , i cannot when having nuendo running for example, if there is such a possibility i think you are able to record the signal, will try to find a wavelab version to test that and tell you
vegetal
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 22:34
No problem playing audio, the problem is to capture it without having to reroute it to a line input via a coax cable           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
http://www.devilsmindrecords.org/
http://www.myspace.com/vegetalmusic
http://www.checkpoint-music.com/
Tomos
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 10:11
I've not heard of Sound Trap? Sounds exactly like what I need.

My first ever card, M-Audio 2496 had no trouble recording samples in wavelab. In fact, that card was a rock, I never had any trouble with it at all.

I'm pretty much set on buying and an Echo Audiofire 8 now. The 12 doesn't have SPDIF out for some reason?!
gutter
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 10:22
Quote:

On 2009-04-29 22:34, vegetal wrote:
No problem playing audio, the problem is to capture it without having to reroute it to a line input via a coax cable




ok then you are right. i was thinking it that way, send the signal to spd/if etc
vegetal
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 10:47
Not "sound trap" its sound tap its a danm nice piece of software when you´re using external soundcards via IEEE1394 URL: http://www.nch.com.au/soundtap/index.html

Gutter: from output to spdif in?           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
http://www.devilsmindrecords.org/
http://www.myspace.com/vegetalmusic
http://www.checkpoint-music.com/
gutter
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 11:26
yes and reroute the in to the out with a cable, then make a new bus to take signal from spd/if out and record it

this way i can record any vst too when playing as midi inside the sequencer(nuendo) instead of bouncing process, but i have to solo the track (because spd/if carries the hole master out signal, therefore everything thats playing atm)

thats why i ask if you can playback audio when wavelab is open, i was thinking the same process, making the routings and a new bus to take the signal from the spdif and record that
vegetal
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 12:08
I see your point yeah that would work i think, need to check the options in wavelab. To bad there is no option like when i was younger and had a creative audigy card, when i used that one i could use the option in wavelab that says "record what is playedback"           Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
http://www.devilsmindrecords.org/
http://www.myspace.com/vegetalmusic
http://www.checkpoint-music.com/
Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : May 10, 2009 18:08
Quote:

On 2009-04-30 12:08, vegetal wrote:
I see your point yeah that would work i think, need to check the options in wavelab. To bad there is no option like when i was younger and had a creative audigy card, when i used that one i could use the option in wavelab that says "record what is playedback"




yes i rembma that
i used to love the audigy just for it..
the "what u hear" channel, so far, since i got external sound card i cant do anything of that sort.           [[[G|L|I|T|C|H]]]
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Glitch/26959170536?ref=ts
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/glitch-tales-from-the-script
http://www.ektoplazm.com/2011/glitch-higher-definition
http://soundcloud.com/user582143
Elad
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Posted : May 12, 2009 04:59
RME 800 if you can afford it
probably the best and simple choise

for budget choise maybe some nice MOTU or even M-Audio why not...

and what about scope? those are not simple but worth the extra headache           www.sattelbattle.com
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