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Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 20:19:16

Just when I thought my urge for new hardware was extingushed:
http://www.sonic-core.net/en/home/xite.html

10 times the DSP of a Scope pro and a new version of the scope software with new devices using new DSP atoms and it will interface using PCI-e with both laptops and desktops!!

I guess this is the flagship version and cheaper models will come soon...I'd be happy with a box that has 10 times my Pulsar II power.

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Tomos
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 20:23

Dang...

where the hell is UAD2 that's what I want to know!

Medea
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 21:03

please explain me...
whats the point in DSP cards now, if modern 2\4 core CPU's can handle much more plug-ins than is really needed?
Or it's the matter of quality of plug-ins?

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klippel
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Posted : Jun 12, 2008 21:57

+1 medea!

like to know as well..

heard much about scope. is it worth the money?

are the synths and fx superior to native ones?

Domi
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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 01:21

scope is very expensive
but is really good quality.. it comes with a lot of great synths and effects..

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Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 02:59

Quote:

On 2008-06-12 21:03, Medea wrote:
please explain me...
whats the point in DSP cards now, if modern 24 core CPU's can handle much more plug-ins than is really needed?
Or it's the matter of quality of plug-ins?

While CPU power is not really an issue nowadays there are still a few reasons why Scope is great:

Flexibility
Tell me one hardware of software synth that give you the synthesis of a Scope Modular with Flexor3?
Maybe you want to do something crazy like patching together a delay with a formant filter in the feedback loop and have an envelope follower triggered by a drum loop.
Maybe something simple like dynamic EQ to cut out low freq from sounds when the kick hits.
Also there is a SDK if you really want to get in to the details and create your own plugs.

Quality
I'm not really sure why, but I just don't get the same density on sounds I make with VST's and the filters available for scope sound more analogue and fatter than any native ones I used.
There is also many outstanding 3rd party plugins that is not available in native formats.

Value for money
Here I really have to disagree with Domi that Scope is expensive.
Comparing DSP power, amount of software included and connectivity with other DSP solutions Scope is far from expensive.

The XCITE-1 is about 3000.
Apart from the insane DSP power you get a massive amount of high quality plugins, a bunch of quality converters and a couple of mic pres.
Look a bit at what pro tools TDM systems or TC Powercore cost and how much DSP and software is included.
Or compare it with hardware VA synths which is in reality the same kind of thing...a box with DSP chips, converters and software...but with a controller built in.

3000 is a bit much for me, and I'm not sure if I would ever use all that power, but I'm sure they will have sub 1000 systems very soon that still will be insanely powerful.

gutter
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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 10:05

this thing is a blaster
extraordinary processing and as spindrift wrote
the synths are awesome and they have a huge bundle which comes with the card with lots of good fx ,, but still i would buy it for the synths ...
though i have read that the its a little difficult to use it , especially if u want it only to insert plugins and synths and not as a soundcard and mixer (the routing inside),, or isnt it ?? ,,
how do you use it Spindrift ?? did u had any issues with that?? (PlanetZ forum is endless from Scope users ,hehe)

Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 12:20

I do some mixing inside of the scope environment.
It does sound better when I run kick and bass live compared to if I bring them into Live or Logic and mix them there and for that reason alone XTC mode (running scope so that you can load devices just like VST plugs) is not an option for me.
Also XTC mode removes a lot of the possibilities that Scope can offer that is not possible within a regular DAW.

Obviously it's a very complex system and for example I doubt I ever will realize the full potential of a modular system with over 300 different modules.
But routing audio and connecting together devices could not be easier IMO.

I think the obstacle for some users is the fact you have an extra layer of mixer and devices which can make the setup feel a bit more confusing.
I came in to scope from using DAW's combined with hardware synths, effects and mixers and in comparasion Scope is real easy and convenient, but if you mostly worked doing all your mixing inside the DAW it will for sure be a bit of an adjustment.

So if you just want more plugins to use it's very possible that Scope will feel cumbersome.
If you just want an extremely advances synthesis platform and get annoyed with the limiting routing capabilities in your DAW you'll probably love Scope.

gutter
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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 12:37

see..
that meens that youre using you Scope for connecting external hardware also ?
and then?
do u use it as your soundcard too ??
i though that when in XTC mode , its used as a plugin DSP system , ok,, but in the other way it abridges you (or not?) to use it as your main audio interface ,,, for example if you have a soundcard like RME or LYnx etc. you wont be able to use them as your audio interfaces as long you are in Scope mode, is that right ??
nice to hear comments from a scope user
i would like to buy one , even the small with 3dsps only for the synths & fx, i know inXTC mode works fine for this , but im missing smthng with the Scope mode
thnx

Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Jun 13, 2008 13:01

Since I got my Pulsar almost a decade ago any hardware I have left is just gathering dust.
So basically I only use it as a DSP platform and a soundcard to get a signal to my monitors.

If you do have hardware you like to connect I would not see the point in using another soundcard together with scope. You have in total 20 in/out with a regular Scope card and can expand it if you need more.
In theory I think you could patch things so you could use another sound card together with scope, but in practice it would be a mess.

If you are not into modular synthesis and weird patching I'm not too sure Scope is a good option since you cannot really utilize that capabilities in XTC mode.

To give you a better idea about what makes the scope system so flexible here is a few examples of stuff that I do which I could not do without the scope environment:

Having a bus with an HPF that has the frequency controlled by an envelope follower triggered by kick and bass (nice for letting some sounds swell out into the bass range in breaks but not colliding with kick and bass when they are running).

Switching to a HPF version of the bass when a kick drum is playing.

Sending a track into an envelope follower and then send the output of that as MIDI controller data to any instrument or device I want.

kazaroval

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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 13:04

Yes, i have a Pulsar2, only 6 dsp..... but its a really nice system for all routing possibilities and synths... making perfect basse+kick take 5 minutes.... the sound is good by itself...... no need to tweek for hours synth or add fx, its sound right at first place.

Seppa

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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 00:17

Quote:

On 2008-06-12 20:19:16, Spindrift wrote:
Just when I thought my urge for new hardware was extingushed:
http://www.sonic-core.net/en/home/xite.html

10 times the DSP of a Scope pro and a new version of the scope software with new devices using new DSP atoms and it will interface using PCI-e with both laptops and desktops!!

I guess this is the flagship version and cheaper models will come soon...I'd be happy with a box that has 10 times my Pulsar II power.

On the website they only mention 10x more powerfull ... more powerfull than what?

x-rayz
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Posted : Apr 15, 2009 09:21

[quote]
On 2009-04-15 00:17, Seppa wrote:

Quote:

On the website they only mention 10x more powerfull ... more powerfull than what?

Its got 140 DSPs which is 10 time more powerfull than their previous 14 DSP card.. And its 14 times more powerfull than my Noah..

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vipal
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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 15:31

Quote:

On 2008-06-13 13:01, Spindrift wrote:

If you do have hardware you like to connect I would not see the point in using another soundcard together with scope. You have in total 20 in/out with a regular Scope card and can expand it if you need more.

note: thats speaking on the software level, the softwaremixer, when you want to connect extra hardware to the old scope-card, you need an extra ADAT box like a behringer ada8000 or a creamware a16.
the regular scope card does not come with more then one set of physical in/out.

Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Apr 16, 2009 16:19

Quote:

On 2009-04-16 15:31, vipal wrote:
Quote:

On 2008-06-13 13:01, Spindrift wrote:

If you do have hardware you like to connect I would not see the point in using another soundcard together with scope. You have in total 20 in/out with a regular Scope card and can expand it if you need more.

note: thats speaking on the software level, the softwaremixer, when you want to connect extra hardware to the old scope-card, you need an extra ADAT box like a behringer ada8000 or a creamware a16.
the regular scope card does not come with more then one set of physical in/out.

Not sure if I agree that ADAT connections are software connections since they exists physically and can connect to hardware like for example a digital mixer.
ASIO is an example of a software connections, and if you count those you have a lot more than 20.

But indeed you only get stereo analogue IO included on the card and have to pick converters yourself if you want more.

My point was that it makes more sense to use the IO on the Scope card, even if that means getting a converter box, than using alongside another soundcard.
It's less messy to have only one card, the IO becomes better integrated with the rest of the system and you get more for your money.

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