Conny
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 14:23:48
Can anyone correct me if im wrong or tell me something i didn´t know about the songstructure of psy trance tracks.
I know there´s many different types of structure but what i believe is the following.
Atmosphereic sound - kick bass (comes in with lowpass which opens upp - drums -
more intense drums and fx - chorus (the most melodic part of the song) after that im not really sure which direction the songstructure goes in
Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 14:46
Well if you want my opinion everything is up to you. there is no rule how you do it.
for example the latest track that we work is like this:
Intro with atmospheric sounds and emotional pads with breaks loops in the background and sound effects here and there, some melodic riffs, then a riser to preper the begining
an impact and the kb start, some atmospheric/fx sounds in the background, percussions loops, some small breaks with some nice sounds between and after we start with some melodic riffs to preper the mood of the track.
we love to have most of the times a big break in our tracks in the middle of the track.
next the most of the melodic part of the track with melodies maybe with 2-3 different synths, with some fx sounds, a nice light pad in background, we play with percussions also etc
next we start to play with fx sounds again with percussion loops, atmospheric sounds and some riffs here and there.
and we choose to have a nice outro also but no so big as intro to close the track in the same vibe.
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 14:59
thats why is so important to finish your tracks cause you understand and realise how a track can be...
i remember our first steps when we start, we had many tracks that never finish cause in the middle we thinking something else and something new coming and so on...that was a mess. when we start to finish our tracks even they were not so well that helped us a lot to see things and understand the whole process.
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knocz
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 19:30
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On 2013-03-01 14:23:48, Conny wrote:
Can anyone correct me if im wrong or tell me something i didn´t know about the songstructure of psy trance tracks.
I know there´s many different types of structure but what i believe is the following.
Atmosphereic sound - kick bass (comes in with lowpass which opens upp - drums -
more intense drums and fx - chorus (the most melodic part of the song) after that im not really sure which direction the songstructure goes in
Yeah I believe this is the commercial way of going.. but there much to innovate, and one of the great things about psy is your can deviate a lot from the "standard song structure" without being criticized - I personally applause it.
(I like uplifting stuff so ) In my opinion, a song should go up, and than release, only to go up again and release again, over and over. If you go down a bit, your coming up will be bigger;if you go down a lot, you can come back up in great ways.
Acknowledging that, do whatever you want regarding the song structure, but make it interesting.
I'm not saying the typical intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-outro-chorus-end won't work, just that you are free to think in completely different ways (a lot of great dark psy doesn't even obey to a structure). If you go for the typical structure, then you should innovate in other areas (concept, melody, harmony, rhythm, instrumentation, equipment, performance, density and last but certainly not least, the mix) to achieve something new; else-wise you'll just make what already has been made a million times and has not succeeded.
supergroover
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Posted : Mar 1, 2013 21:38
There are no rules really. But it works well to think in parts of 32 bars. Just rebuild one of your favourite tracks.
And don't use big breaks. It really kills the dancefloor...
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Mar 2, 2013 11:24
Dunno why but i always tend to do 64 bar loops, and then get stuck lol
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 03:30
talking of song structure check this one
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Geom3
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 20:23
been my trouble - done more looping than i have finishing...although i was learning with the loop - gave me a chance to see how this works and how that works - spent many months doin that reclusivly teaching myself - bout time i started structuring and gettin sum fin done , but for me is a confidence thing...
makus
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Posted : Mar 3, 2013 20:48
Equilizyme
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Posted : Mar 4, 2013 01:43
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if you are using live then I recommend using the session view - it allows you to mix and match segments of your tune w/o dragging everything all over the arranger. Good for finding sounds that go well together and developing passages.
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Melange5738
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Posted : Mar 4, 2013 06:06
To give some constructive input: to me the best trance is somewhat but not overly mathematical. One theme throughout the track, variations in even periods on about 4-8-16 bars. Every variation should be relevant to the theme.
This is kind of the definition of trance for me, if you start using lots of chords and transpositions and themes in one track it could still be a great track but to me it is simply not trance.
Soundmagus
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Posted : Mar 6, 2013 05:14
+1 for following the structure of a favourite tune
+1 for just creating a kick and bass and seeing what happens
Also have a template of a commercial structure , this helps to create and understand your boundaries, where your breaks should be etc BUT the main reason is so that you can get a basic structure down quickly then adapt, change and manipulate it as you see fit.
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