COMET SHELL
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Posted : Sep 29, 2013 18:45
some people in here dont really want to help.
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Posted : Sep 29, 2013 18:48
OK, like I've said before:
(I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just very dissapointed with this kind of "modern thinking" about art)
Get over it, just my opinion.
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Enjoy in your favorite music let's say 1 hour and than play your music, rule of thumb is "if you feel something is missing, that's exactly what is missing", just go at it and make it happen.
Don't force music, at least if you are not on deadline, if you are stuck, move on, come back later with fresh ears and hunt for that first listen vision, if you don't have one, than really, there isn't much left to do, you really should have a vision.
Trial&Error is pretty good option, just lay down some arrangement and try to make it work, make few versions, try many things, something should work eventually, just return to it with fresh ears and be realistic.
This is really about mindset and vision, not really technical thing, there isn't any advice on how you can make your music flow, that comes from you, your soul, how you feel it, you must bake it and make it, anything technical I say or anyone else can't make it happen, you need to feel it and do it, flow with it and hope someone on other side will recognize it.
COMET SHELL
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Posted : Sep 29, 2013 21:31
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On 2013-09-29 20:48, Xsze wrote:
Enjoy in your favorite music let's say 1 hour and than play your music, rule of thumb is "if you feel something is missing, that's exactly what is missing", just go at it and make it happen.
Don't force music, at least if you are not on deadline, if you are stuck, move on, come back later with fresh ears and hunt for that first listen vision, if you don't have one, than really, there isn't much left to do, you really should have a vision.
Trial&Error is pretty good option, just lay down some arrangement and try to make it work, make few versions, try many things, something should work eventually, just return to it with fresh ears and be realistic.
This is really about mindset and vision, not really technical thing, there isn't any advice on how you can make your music flow, that comes from you, your soul, how you feel it, you must bake it and make it, anything technical I say or anyone else can't make it happen, you need to feel it and do it, flow with it and hope someone on other side will recognize it.
your totaly right. you need to have some good ideas to start with, so many nights iv got home planning to make loads of music and end up making nothing, because iv had no ideas or inspiration. my biggest problem is i get half a track done, then i start mixing it down and listen to it 5000 times and then after a few days, if lost the flow and ideas and then i never finish the track. so i think its best if i just build a track without eqing too much, just get the ideas down first.
Exactly, when almost whole track depends on us, we really need to joggle successfully between different tasks (creative vs. technical), we all know it's hard to separate them, but good balance is needed….as time passes we get better, faster, efficient, confident and productive, but until than it's worth on taking smaller steps and setting priorities.
Melange5738
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Posted : Sep 29, 2013 23:31
It is trial and error and incubation. Incubation meaning you need time for your subconcious to dwell on it in order for you to become less blind and deaf on the subject you are working on.
Read up on "soft think vs hard think" and you will realize there is a golden balance between slacking, playing, resting and working hard. If you work on the same tracks 24/7 you will inevitably compromise your judgement about what is good and bad.
Only after a certain period of time you can go back to it and get a fresh approach. The same can be said about most creative works, and is also one reason why you should always try to get everything done way before an eventual deadline (in order for you to have time to look at it more critical and make adjustments before handing it in).
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 01:46
To DECIDE to break rules you have to know them first. It's perfectly possible to break them without knowing they ever existed, but it won't be a conscious choice in that case.
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 10:39
What works for me the last year, is to create 32 bar segments and finish them to the best of my ability. Listen to them again and again, mix them as I go along. Then the track tells me where it wants to go next, instead of me forcing it to go somewhere.
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 12:38
agree with the finish a skeleton concept, but i try to refrain from is listening to it and analyzing it too much while it is still in progress, ESPECIALLY when it is close to completion. i find if i hear it too much then i lose focus and the state it is in becomes the finished product because you get sorta used to hearing it that way. so always push forward. of course yes, it is a juggling act.
that is also why i really agree with getting "out of the loop" as soon as you can. make a basic structure, any structure, copy paste things across 8 minutes then add/subtract whatever. most inexperienced people have a really tough time getting beyond the idea/loop stage, this is sorta the moment of truth make or break point of a track. you leave the loop early, you'll have a much easier time.
... and, on the same basic idea, start out with as long of a loop as possible - 32-64-128.
... and, whatever automation you are doing stretch them across a long loop/section, the longer the better for variation and struucture, and the more you do them by hand instead of drawing straight curves or using lfos the more variation and musical structure you can achieve. don't worry about "perfect" automations, try to play the automations as a musician would play notes.
... and of course, indeed what does the track want next, let it make itself to the best of the technical skill you have at the moment of creating it. let it be what it is.
On 2013-09-30 01:46, Colin OOOD wrote:
To DECIDE to break rules you have to know them first.
That's exactly what I meant... one can also discover a rule by breaking it wrongly and becoming conscious of it...
A tip, try to create tension in your track, anticipation, not necessarily by putting break buildups in but just in your composition, automation... Tell a story that keeps the listener anticipating... start easy, go deeper, then hit a crescendo and towards the end calm down again and fade out, it's like making love!
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 18:00
4/4 16 bars parts with bridges between: intro verse bridge chorus break verse bridge chorus verse swoosh with reverb sidechain to kick or ghost yeah . for example with improvisation of different instruments on top. ...tagadagatagadaga
don't forget to bridge between with filter should sound like this
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 18:37
anyone made some tunes from 20 min to 1 hour or more ?
i find it intresting to build the live from scratch insteed of playing 7/8 min tunes , it s just more formating..
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 19:04
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On 2013-09-30 18:37, PoM wrote:
anyone made some tunes from 20 min to 1 hour or more ?
PoM
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Posted : Sep 30, 2013 20:20
no problem you can bounce and import in new projects for composing ..
remind me times when pc were not powerfull it was needed to make just one full track
yeah . 
