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Something usefull for all future producers I quoted..!!
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 02:29:04
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Introducing the new list of Ten DO NOT Rules of Psy-Trance Production. Offenders will be forced to attend a trance party in the desert w/o water, an IV drip of L.S.D. in their arm, while stomping Israeli trance pounds 24/7 for one month, no sleep allowed. Yes, we know there are quite a few folks to whom that would be a dream come true...
1. Anyone using samples from Terrence McKenna, Jim Morrison, or Hunter Thompson in any track will be shot and killed immediately. Sample your grandmother or someone interesting and more importantly, new!
2. Drop that same stupid unchanging 4/4 kick w/rolling bass line. If you can't write a sequence where the bass line does a little riff here or there, or drop or double-up one of the kicks every now and then, then may you suffer death by the Chinese Water Torture.
3. No more samples about acid/L.S.D. There's a lot of ****ing drugs out there. Pick any other one! At least Ticon managed to write a track about drinking on their latest. Offenders get 1 full gram of pure liquid poured in their eyes with a power-squirter.
4. If the only effects used on your album/CD are reverb and the ping-pong delay, please quit now. There are about a zillion plugin effects out there. Reverb/pong have their place, but try something new for a change. If you can't, then you should have your head removed and a real game of Ping Pong played with it.
5. Learn the idea of "dynamics" in music. The ambient intro, straight full-on tracks with one or maybe two breakdowns, then ambient fadeout formula is old, dead, and crumbled to dust. Suggestion: start it full-on, have it break down to a two minute ambient section in the middle, and finish full-on again. Learn from the prog. and epic trance folks and try doing some buildups, learn to add a little tension to the music, try to make it unpredictable. If you can't, then may you get a desk job at a very conservative bank where you are forced to wear a suit and add numbers by hand 12 hours a day for the rest of your life.
6. Stop using filters for breakdowns. Great, so your track just keeps repeating itself every four bars, and then you turn up a band-pass filter and squeeze it down until you stop the music. Wow. So very original... not. Try anything else for a break - scramble the music, have four bars in reverse, anything else, please! Those who keep doing this crap will be squeezed to death between a rock and hard place.
7. Try writing an album that flows from beginning to end, rather than sounding like a collection of tracks on a comp. It seems like most psy-trance producers just lay down the tracks as they write them. Listen to Son Kite's "Colours" and Jaia's "Fiction" if you want to hear what a real "album" sounds like. Remember when you used to put in a CD and it wasn't the same if you couldn't listen to the whole thing, beginning to end, or even leave it on repeat? Pull out "Dark Side of the Moon" if you don't. Those who don't get this deserve to listen to nothing else than the worst goa comp. ever on endless repeat for a year.
8. Just forget the "trance gating" or at least use it on something other than analog synth melody lines and vocals. Simon Posford & Co. have done it to death. If you must, try running something different through it rather than the same old two standards. If you can't come up with an alternative, then may you be cut into pieces lengthwise and every other one of them thrown in the river.
9. Get a ****ing sense of humour! When the hell did goa stop being fun? It's just music, for christ's sake! It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable. This whole ultra-serious, lifestyle / scene crap has to go. Bring back the funk and the fun, please. Y'all are starting to look and act as pathetic and tired as the Goths. No punishment needed, nothing's worse than being a bunch of psy-Goths.
10. Last but not least, see rule #9. While this list is trying to make some serious points about how completely dull and boring and formulaic goa/psy-trance has gotten, it's also meant to get a larf. If you didn't smile at least once while reading this, please go see a doctor and ask to have your funny bone replaced or installed. Again, no punishment necessary, it's sad if people can't find humour in trying to take the piss out of things while making a point.
BONUS: OK, this isn't about production, but to all you goa/psy-trance DJs out there (many of whom are producers) - get off the friggin' big stage, put yourself off in a corner where you can see the crowd, and learn to spin music that makes people dance and party and have fun, and stop thinking you're a bunch of rock stars because you've practised your set for two months straight and it's perfect. The nice thing about goa/psy-trance in the early years was the lack of ego amongst producers and DJ's alike. The former is still mostly true, but the latter isn't, and this kind of music is never, ever going to make a Paul Oakenfold out of anyone; nor should anyone who enjoys it want to become an arsehole like him anyway. Who cares if you train wreck - write and play tracks that move people's bodies *and* minds. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 03:15
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 03:41
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No dude I'm not.. IMO the 1. 2. 4. and the 5. (for these I copy pasted these quote) are absolutly correct..!! The others, nah..
From now I have choosed to make in future a track and post it here and just a minut ore two..  )
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psilozion
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 04:29
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Here is a good affirmation. YOU FUCKING ROCK THIS WHOLE UNIVERSAL NOW. Just express express, i know there is love behind everything, even if hate comes up, so keep on exploring and just keep on vibrating.
If you dont have the answers then who does? You have to creat your way, you cannot let the way be created for you, Search, creat and you will see, you are god creating this very now.
Puting my hands together and bowing my head with a big smile on my face =D Namaste
Crazy dudes sure know how to rock, but does anything matter, really does it?=D I mean this ride is.. really something, its uniqe and twisted if u just come to think about that it is hehehehe
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 04:40
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Ok, well, first of all, this is very old and has been posted elsewhere and here a bunch of times.
Secondly, it is complete and utter nonsense to attempt to make rules for anything as completely subjective and open ended as psychedelic trance music *EVEN IF* you are in agreeance with some of them.
Case in point - I too feel that Terrence's voice is a bit grating on the ears now, and not very psychedelic to me. However, does that mean that I should tell someone else what to do with their music? I'm 100% sure that at some point in the future from now someone will use him in a track and that track will be good.
Oh noes, the rules are broken!
Posting this does not add to the trance discussion, it does not help anyones production in any way shape or form. at least, that's my opinion.
 If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 06:16
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willsanquil
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 07:53
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OK, Yeah I definitely thought I was tripping out or something...or mods were deleting my posts....I would click this topic and respond but then click it later and my posts would be gone
didn't realize it was double posted. Mods should remove both of these. Please.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 13:28
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@willsanquil..
Tnx for so much time spending here, i'm a noob here and didn't now that these one was posted..
And why deleting posts..?? :S Did you find yourself somewhere in the post..?!
That's when you would post a bad track and I sad where are the Mods 2 delete this shit..!!
Cheers.. |
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 13:35
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On 2010-08-23 04:29, psilozion wrote:
Here is a good affirmation. YOU FUCKING ROCK THIS WHOLE UNIVERSAL NOW. Just express express, i know there is love behind everything, even if hate comes up, so keep on exploring and just keep on vibrating.
If you dont have the answers then who does? You have to creat your way, you cannot let the way be created for you, Search, creat and you will see, you are god creating this very now.
Puting my hands together and bowing my head with a big smile on my face =D Namaste
Crazy dudes sure know how to rock, but does anything matter, really does it?=D I mean this ride is.. really something, its uniqe and twisted if u just come to think about that it is hehehehe
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I love your affirmation Isra Soldier..!! Killa.. 3;D |
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 13:39
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@Cardinals Cartel..
There's guy's like me who spend there time only on workshop.. 3;DD
"To them, you're just a freak…like me.." (Joker) |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:22
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:53
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@disco hooligans..
I totaly agree..!! And make another ppl smile with our music.. )
Cheers.. |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 00:57
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On 2010-08-23 13:39, Bosque Sub Zinho wrote:
Cardinals Cartel..
There's guy's like me who spend there time only on workshop..
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Ill tell you a little story .. Since 2004 i have wrote 969 posts only in the workshop (New track section) So i definitely understand what you mean and feel and talking abaut , I spend lots of time in here by listen to others music and made my own topics but this is not what i said , You know .. For us to hear the word 'Rules' Well .. Its abit nuisance , Annoying and bother . Music is one of those places when you can run away to .. Without any regime on your head , Rules or convention move , This is an open place & space to creat and at the same time to enjoy your art without any limit or restriction .
All the best ..
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 02:30
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Tnx mate.. You are 6 years, i am 2 days.. Your'e the boss..!! I didn't mean it like rulez, just tought for someone would it be usefull..
Whatever, fuck the rulez, let's make some vibes..!!
Cheers Isra-Mayor..!! ;DD |
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Limor
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 14:38
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On 2010-08-24 00:57, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
Music is one of those places when you can run away to .. Without any regime on your head , Rules or convention move , This is an open place & space to creat and at the same time to enjoy your art without any limit or restriction .
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100% true
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