Something usefull for all future producers I quoted..!!
Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 18:39
There is no direct link between musicality and intelligence, if we are to speak in clinical terms (instead of some vague subjective feelings about what "intelligence" or "musicality" may mean to us personally). There must be a reason why most people have to choose between sciences and arts for their higher education (and further specialize into "hard" sciences vs. humanities or artistic expression vs. art theory). Some of it is about "what one's heart desires", but a lot of it is also about one's aptitude. I've met a few math/music double-majors. I also know a few hard-core biologists and chemists that are excellent painters and/or photographers. But those are exceptions: in most cases it's an either-or deal. I don't claim there is necessarily a negative correlation there (although I suspect there may be) - just that there is no positive link.
So, no, you don't have to be superintelligent to produce good music. Nor do you need to be musical to excell in sciences. The second statement seems obvious to most people - why is it so hard to accept the first one?
The term "intelligent music" more often than not is used to underline one's snobish attitude, so ususally it makes me puke. But such a thing actually may exist, I think.
We can define "intelligent music" as music that is crafted with heavy use of the left brain, rather than flowing spontaneously out of the right brain. Music that relies heavily on theoretical rules, for example (or even algorithms). It also implies deliberate design, as opposed to monkeys on a typewriter, Orwell's "1984" pop song kaleidoscope machine or copy-paste "production". If we adopt these definitions, then we'll see that there is nothing inherently intelligent in much of psy trance. There are occasional tracks (or even whole albums) that fall under this definition, but it's not true of the genre in general.
A side note on the "requirement" for intelligence in music production. It's an illusion. Discussing music in terms of Hertz, milliseconds and decibells does not make you or your music very intelligent. Nor does it make you or your music very musical. It's just shop talk. A flute player may discuss intricate details of blowing air into a tiny hole in a short pipe with valves on a side. You talk about filter cut-offs and harmonics. Same difference. Yet most people would consider the air talk voodoo and the Cubase discussion science. I don't see why. Imagine that you produce all your music with hardware synths with no labels anywhere. Then instead of Hertz and decibels you'd talk about turning that thingamabob in the right top corner to about 2 o'clock and sliding that third doohickie in the second row about 1/3 or it's range. Suddenly it doesn't seem as much of a rocket science, does it?
There are countless examples of performers and even composers who did not have any theoretical knowledge or did not receive any formal training. It's quite common in "folk" music like blues or blue grass. And let's not forget about savants who are mentally retarded musical geniuses.
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I was hoping you'd post in here maine, you always make good comments. I spent 4 years balls deep in math and science in college (engineering), it's nice to be able to think in terms that aren't black and white while producing .
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 19:54
God bless psy trance..!! ;DD
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 22:47
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I was hoping you'd post in here maine, you always make good comments. I spent 4 years balls deep in math and science in college (engineering), it's nice to be able to think in terms that aren't black and white while producing .
Must be a nice change. Do you still catch yourself "overthinking" things because of your background? Like not using a filter with a steep cut-off because of the ringing - which is there in theory but nobody will hear it. Or maybe getting obsessive about setting things to exact frequencies? For example, it bothers me to no end that Operator's "Follow Notes" option on the filter sets it to 466 Hz - which is nowhere near the middle C (why does it do that, by the way?).
Sometimes I wonder if we would be better off - artistically - if it all was about unmarked thingamabobs and doohickies instead of Hertz and decibels.
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 22:58
Maine, have you seen the cosmosis Tweaking the Tuneage videos? In multiple sessions he talks about the difference between working with your left brain and your right brain. He's very big on separating the two and letting them flourish in the areas which they excel - like when you sit down behind a sequencer and you start designing sounds, you're in technical mode....but when you start arranging and listening later in a different context you are using your more creative artistic side..
'Good' music is a unification of those two aspects of yourself - and possibly this 'intelligence' in music is when we can appreciate the varied levels of interaction the artist has with the material in both the technical and artistic sphere.
Of course, your interpretation of these things is quite subjective...for instance, I know a shitload of people who adore Tristan's work, and I can definitely hear the pristine production standards in his tunes but to me they're hollow and devoid of life - not enough creativity and too much engineering.
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Posted : Aug 25, 2010 23:16
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On 2010-08-25 19:25, Ascension wrote:
I was hoping you'd post in here maine, you always make good comments. I spent 4 years balls deep in math and science in college (engineering), it's nice to be able to think in terms that aren't black and white while producing .
Must be a nice change. Do you still catch yourself "overthinking" things because of your background? Like not using a filter with a steep cut-off because of the ringing - which is there in theory but nobody will hear it. Or maybe getting obsessive about setting things to exact frequencies? For example, it bothers me to no end that Operator's "Follow Notes" option on the filter sets it to 466 Hz - which is nowhere near the middle C (why does it do that, by the way?).
Sometimes I wonder if we would be better off - artistically - if it all was about unmarked thingamabobs and doohickies instead of Hertz and decibels.
Producing sober for me is like ocd central on EVERYTHING. Luckily I produce in a more relaxed state most of the time
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Posted : Aug 26, 2010 03:16
intelligent music for me is music that is made to put the listener in trance ,usually with repetitive loops and smart build up and progression, it can be just few djumbés ,some techno ,some psytrance ... it s the smart build up we call intelligent cause it s psycho active,it s all about timing ,the right sound at the right time, too early or too late and it dont work ,it have to be intelligent .
a example would be a track thatt is good to listen in your living room but dont work at all on the dancefloor cause it s not intelligent, breaks are not at the right time, the flow is bad..
a example would be that track that i have listened many time in deep trance, it have all sound placed perfeclty imo , but all that you can feel it only when you are in the right state iof mind when the music and your body make just one
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Posted : Aug 26, 2010 05:56
I'm going for a graduate degree at U.C. Berkeley in Bio Chemistry, and I am also majoring at University of the Pacific California in music. Then I have set a goal to work at the National Academy of Sciences Bio Music Department. Hehe... no choosing one over the other for me.
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I'm going for a graduate degree at U.C. Berkeley in Bio Chemistry, and I am also majoring at University of the Pacific California in music. Then I have set a goal to work at the National Academy of Sciences Bio Music Department. Hehe... no choosing one over the other for me.
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Posted : Aug 27, 2010 14:08
I hope you get it that would be awesome! What field is the job in? Also what university did you attend? I'd really enjoy hearing more about it
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Posted : Aug 27, 2010 14:11
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I hope you get it that would be awesome! What field is the job in? Also what university did you attend? I'd really enjoy hearing more about it
I think you're on the wrong forum mate.. ;D
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Posted : Aug 28, 2010 02:24
What do you mean by that?
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On 2010-08-23 13:18, Bosque Sub Zinho wrote:
Critics are welcome..
I just wanna say, we need something new, make music how do you feel it and copying each other..
Seroxat and X-Team are the best prove how something new must be..
Cheers..
Hi friend! Thanks for words! Right, we made something original, but no one need it. We did a lot of work especially on melodies. We didnt recive more than "cool album" from friends and a little bit ppl on the net. No perspective Thats why we lost our colloboration with my partner..
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Posted : Sep 1, 2010 19:18
Hey bro..!! Don't be disambitious.. There is a perspective for your music from that album, you know your play in the moscow discoteque is the best prove..!! For me Angels Fight is one of the best energy-dancfloor albums I ever heard, and I think ppl in the world doesn't listened 2 your music bro..!! More promotions must be there..
I told you when I come back from germany to Serbia I will make you a party in Belgrade and you will see that ppl here 'cumes'' on that style..!! )
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Thats why we lost our colloboration with my partner.. 