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Something usefull for all future producers I quoted..!!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 14:21
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U didnt get my point Sub, I'm not saying "look at me I'm cool coz I'm breaking the rules", Thread #65445667 about how someone should be making tunes, when all we need to focus on is making music we love.
Peace out.
 
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 15:06
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On 2010-08-24 14:21, disco hooligans wrote:
U didnt get my point Sub, I'm not saying "look at me I'm cool coz I'm breaking the rules", Thread #65445667 about how someone should be making tunes, when all we need to focus on is making music we love.
Peace out.
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Maybe I learned something from you here bro.. I agree absolutly with your post..!!  )
Have a nice day bro, I will try to find Spectrasonics Omnisphere VST which is on 6 DVD's, I heard when you have these you don't need anything more.. )
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 15:19
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On 2010-08-23 22:57, Ascension wrote:
Anyone else think calling psytrance "intelligent" or any other 4 to the floor dance music intelligent is a bit pointless? What's so intelligent about repetitive beats?
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Ok, so what do you find in psytrance?
Only something to shake your ass off?
Intelligent for me means that it has something deeper in it than that ass shaking groove..
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Sure it can be intelligent for some, but I think that's personal, there's no intrinsic "intelligence" wrapped into every psytrance track for me. I just don't think there's something specific you can point out in psytrance compared to other genres that defines it as "intelligent". To me it's simply fun music and envelopes a culture of mature people I enjoy spending time with. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 17:14
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When repetitive beats the real "intelligence" is beyond the actual loop.
That's what trance is all about, when you are in trance you forget the beat, you just dance to it and every piece of sound on that is crafted with care and detail (depending on the artist of course)... that's why most people away from electronika don't like it, they just can't listen through the beat.
So I find no solid arguments for relating repetition to lack of "intelligence", it is just a circumstance in which much other intelligent or not sounds occur.
Also, the crafting of a good trancey repetitive loop can also be a very very intelligent work. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 17:23
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So is all trance music intelligent then? Is anything that gets you into a trance intelligent? I'm just saying that it's a pretty ridiculous thing to say since it's even more subjective than musical taste. Most everyone gives a different answer to the question I asked before too, which is why I said it's a personal thing, nothing ingrained in the music itself.
From wiki: "Intelligence is an umbrella term describing a property of the mind including related abilities, such as the capacities for abstract thought, understanding, communication, reasoning, learning, learning from past experiences, planning, and problem solving." So much can be derived from this definition and so much of it can be applied to ANYTHING.
Why do only those who like psytrance claim it to be intelligent music? Imo it's just another form of elitism and exclusion, especially when people claim that those who dislike it, "just don't get it".
Sorry, I just feel like ranting about this 
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 17:44
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:18
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Right, but what are "intelligent sounds"? Pitch bending does not equal intelligence...
Do you see where this is going? You can call any sound, any song or any genre "intelligent" and justify it in any way you wish, so nothing is more intelligent than anything else.
Sorry if it sounds like me attacking you in any way, this is a rant so it's coupled with me seeing other people talk about this for a while. In the end calling any type of music "intelligent" makes no sense because there's no way to define it. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:22
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Intelligent stuff is naturally interesting / amazing, of course this is a little subjective and actually depends of the listener's intelligence in the first place.
Clever is clever.
Also,
THE GAME
XD
Dun worry i dun feel attacked, but i do think "intelligent" sound/music design exist and occurs. |
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vipal
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:25
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On 2010-08-24 10:10, skyhighatrist wrote:
winge winge moan moan
completely disagree with the title of this thread, its not useful or new, "psytrance isnt what it used to be" threads come up regularly
there's loads of awesome music out there, so go and look for it or make your own.
complaining on here doesn't help anyone...
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:27
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So, the reason I feel this way is because I'm too smart? 
It just bothers me that so many people feel the need to attach this to psytrance, when you can just the same claim it exists in any type of music.
Describing something subjective with another subjective term seems to be the opposite of intelligent to me .
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:31
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Yes, I'm and idiot, never mind.
Subjective is subjective. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:36
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 20:47
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I'll try to avoid attempting to classify intelligence or w/e, but to me what's very important and special about psy trance and psychedelic music in general is its intention.
Most music's ('main stream') intention is to be catchy, addictive, crafted in a way to appeal to your more base emotions - your shitty break up, your shitty job, etc. Also, a good portion of the time it is produced with the intent of making money, or making a hit song.
The intent with psy music is, or can be much more 'pure' to me, if that makes any sense. But yes, subjectivity reigns in this area.
on another completely unrelated note, fuck this thread for making me forget about the toast I was making, which is now completely charred and inedible.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 21:05
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I also don't think the term intelligence is correct to use in this case. Even if every track made had a Carl Sagan sample in it, I still wouldn't call it intelligent. Psychedelic is enough of a descriptor I don't see the need to label this music with other terms.
Maybe some people mistook mckenna samples for bits of fact and thought all psytrance must be tugging at some intellectual strings?
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aciduss
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Posted : Aug 24, 2010 21:59
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It is not about samples. I think you are being too strict looking for a way to define and trace intelligence in psytrance.
Music is intelligence in sound, so there is intelligence in the mere act of setting up a bassline but it can get much more complex than that... from "out of the loop" percussion to complex counterpoint and harmony... also arrangement of sounds and fx editing require a great amount of applied intelligence that can be heard in great artist tracks.
BTW Mckenna is great and intellectual in many many ways... but yeah, controversy and questionable data in many others, still great speeches and sampling source, which i wouldn't mind using any day. |
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