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Something usefull for all future producers I quoted..!!
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 02:24:43
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Introducing the new list of Ten DO NOT Rules of Psy-Trance Production. Offenders will be forced to attend a trance party in the desert w/o water, an IV drip of L.S.D. in their arm, while stomping Israeli trance pounds 24/7 for one month, no sleep allowed. Yes, we know there are quite a few folks to whom that would be a dream come true...
1. Anyone using samples from Terrence McKenna, Jim Morrison, or Hunter Thompson in any track will be shot and killed immediately. Sample your grandmother or someone interesting and more importantly, new!
2. Drop that same stupid unchanging 4/4 kick w/rolling bass line. If you can't write a sequence where the bass line does a little riff here or there, or drop or double-up one of the kicks every now and then, then may you suffer death by the Chinese Water Torture.
3. No more samples about acid/L.S.D. There's a lot of ****ing drugs out there. Pick any other one! At least Ticon managed to write a track about drinking on their latest. Offenders get 1 full gram of pure liquid poured in their eyes with a power-squirter.
4. If the only effects used on your album/CD are reverb and the ping-pong delay, please quit now. There are about a zillion plugin effects out there. Reverb/pong have their place, but try something new for a change. If you can't, then you should have your head removed and a real game of Ping Pong played with it.
5. Learn the idea of "dynamics" in music. The ambient intro, straight full-on tracks with one or maybe two breakdowns, then ambient fadeout formula is old, dead, and crumbled to dust. Suggestion: start it full-on, have it break down to a two minute ambient section in the middle, and finish full-on again. Learn from the prog. and epic trance folks and try doing some buildups, learn to add a little tension to the music, try to make it unpredictable. If you can't, then may you get a desk job at a very conservative bank where you are forced to wear a suit and add numbers by hand 12 hours a day for the rest of your life.
6. Stop using filters for breakdowns. Great, so your track just keeps repeating itself every four bars, and then you turn up a band-pass filter and squeeze it down until you stop the music. Wow. So very original... not. Try anything else for a break - scramble the music, have four bars in reverse, anything else, please! Those who keep doing this crap will be squeezed to death between a rock and hard place.
7. Try writing an album that flows from beginning to end, rather than sounding like a collection of tracks on a comp. It seems like most psy-trance producers just lay down the tracks as they write them. Listen to Son Kite's "Colours" and Jaia's "Fiction" if you want to hear what a real "album" sounds like. Remember when you used to put in a CD and it wasn't the same if you couldn't listen to the whole thing, beginning to end, or even leave it on repeat? Pull out "Dark Side of the Moon" if you don't. Those who don't get this deserve to listen to nothing else than the worst goa comp. ever on endless repeat for a year.
8. Just forget the "trance gating" or at least use it on something other than analog synth melody lines and vocals. Simon Posford & Co. have done it to death. If you must, try running something different through it rather than the same old two standards. If you can't come up with an alternative, then may you be cut into pieces lengthwise and every other one of them thrown in the river.
9. Get a ****ing sense of humour! When the hell did goa stop being fun? It's just music, for christ's sake! It's supposed to be fun and enjoyable. This whole ultra-serious, lifestyle / scene crap has to go. Bring back the funk and the fun, please. Y'all are starting to look and act as pathetic and tired as the Goths. No punishment needed, nothing's worse than being a bunch of psy-Goths.
10. Last but not least, see rule #9. While this list is trying to make some serious points about how completely dull and boring and formulaic goa/psy-trance has gotten, it's also meant to get a larf. If you didn't smile at least once while reading this, please go see a doctor and ask to have your funny bone replaced or installed. Again, no punishment necessary, it's sad if people can't find humour in trying to take the piss out of things while making a point.
BONUS: OK, this isn't about production, but to all you goa/psy-trance DJs out there (many of whom are producers) - get off the friggin' big stage, put yourself off in a corner where you can see the crowd, and learn to spin music that makes people dance and party and have fun, and stop thinking you're a bunch of rock stars because you've practised your set for two months straight and it's perfect. The nice thing about goa/psy-trance in the early years was the lack of ego amongst producers and DJ's alike. The former is still mostly true, but the latter isn't, and this kind of music is never, ever going to make a Paul Oakenfold out of anyone; nor should anyone who enjoys it want to become an arsehole like him anyway. Who cares if you train wreck - write and play tracks that move people's bodies *and* minds. |
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vipal
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 03:11
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i think we had this one here already. and anyhow kind of lame to start up a discussion with something you only quoted, without giving your own opinion |
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 03:58
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Ou.. I didn't know that these was posted, but a little refresh I think it's good for some noobs like me here..
IMO the 1. 2. 4. and the 5. (for these I copy pasted these quote) are absolutly correct..!! The others, nah..
1.New sounds are allways welcome..
2.The bass imo must be dynamic or the track will be bored so far..
4.There are more other's plugins, just must 2 learn work with them to make not only delays and reverbs, that I also do, but from now not so many more.. xD
5.Nothing more 2 said..
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 06:01
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Rules .. What rules ? Future rules ? This list is one of the ridiculous things i ever read .
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 13:18
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Critics are welcome..
I just wanna say, we need something new, make music how do you feel it and copying each other.. 
Seroxat and X-Team are the best prove how something new must be..
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PoM
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:22
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lol man you made some good points, i agree with you i don t even listen much psytrance anymore.. but what really count for me , is the impact of a track on the dancefloor, if it bring something special or not , these tracks that stand out , you hear them one time in a partie and then reconize it everytime it s played and know it s gonna blast the dancefloor .
i don t care much about filterd break and all that..to me the problem is too much psy that bring nothing special for the dancefloor ,too much music that don t touch me ...to me if a track just make the crowd dance and nothign else it s almost a usless track cause theire thousand of these soemtimes i heard that all the night in some parties |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:28
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:44
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@PoM..
Roger that bro..!! I have a prove on my own track I posted 2 days ago.. Lot of sounds, nah, I worked on drugs but can ppl dance with that..?! No..!! I said in another same post that I will not anymore make 2 minutes of a track and post it here.. Sharing ideas is a great stuff, but why must I put any 'thousend times heard' shit here which are many of these here.. ;D
Transformate your satisfaction into other ppl bodies, with your own style and your own emotions, whether they were dark, funny or just cool..!! When you can make ppl dance then you are a really good producer, otherwise you treath the programs like toys, just like a little kid playing in the sand, makes a housefrom sand, and show's mama what he did..!! )
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:49
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@disco hooligans..
respect for work.. the last 2 minutes makes me moving.. )
what rules exactly..?! |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 14:56
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it has a filtered break, drug related samples from good ol' timothy, same unchaning kick, single note bassline (until the breakdown), and has trance gates.
it basically ticks a lot of the "standard trance formulaic tune" boxes, yet the point I ma trying to make is that you can stay well within the "standards/formula" of trance music making, yet it is the selection of sounds/synth programming/riffs that make a difference/vibe.
To stay within the formulas, yet make something that stands out, is even more challenging, than writting music at insane tempos, with mad amounts of glitch and noise, gazzillions of odd breaks and call that forward thinking.
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 15:10
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for the filtered break and drug related samples I said nothing..!! xD unchanging kick ok when it flows and your ears are busy with the other sound that flows, single note bassline I also use but when I know they must be there and trance gates also good thing..
IMO what rule did u broke..?!
and for the insane tempo's.. we talked on another post how it's unmusical and an 'ouch' for my ears.. |
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Bosque Sub Zinho
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 15:13
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And yeah I forgot..
Follow the Stars, maybe you will reach the Moon.. )
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 16:39
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+1
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naretir
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 17:35
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lol +1 nice1
Ohh yeah. fiddle and boom. Ableton addict :)
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 23, 2010 18:26
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On 2010-08-23 15:10, Bosque Sub Zinho wrote:
for the filtered break and drug related samples I said nothing..!! xD unchanging kick ok when it flows and your ears are busy with the other sound that flows, single note bassline I also use but when I know they must be there and trance gates also good thing..
IMO what rule did u broke..?!
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I'm doing the following of the DO NOT tings you posted...like specifically these ones...
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On 2010-08-23 02:24:43, Bosque Sub Zinho wrote:
Introducing the new list of Ten DO NOT Rules of Psy-Trance Production. ...
1. Anyone using samples from Terrence McKenna, Jim Morrison, or Hunter Thompson in any track will be shot and killed immediately...
2. Drop that same stupid unchanging 4/4 kick w/rolling bass line...
3. No more samples about acid/L.S.D. There's a lot of ****ing drugs out there...
5. Learn the idea of "dynamics" in music. The ambient intro, straight full-on tracks with one or maybe two breakdowns, then ambient fadeout formula is old, dead, and crumbled to dust...
6. Stop using filters for breakdowns. Great, so your track just keeps repeating itself every four bars, and then you turn up a band-pass filter and squeeze it down until you stop the music. Wow. So very original... not...
8. Just forget the "trance gating" or at least use it on something other than analog synth melody lines and vocals. Simon Posford & Co. have done it to death...
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