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someone convince me not to go all software ahhh
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-aeon-
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 15:22
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i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure Colin has a nord modular... |
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Tomos
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 15:23
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My homemade Theremin broke 
So I've just ordered a Moog Etherwave..
Can't emulate that! Try waving your hands around a comptuer and getting it to play. |
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heretical
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 15:23
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On 2008-03-14 15:02, bukboy wrote:
Colin I dont think discovery is an emulation of a nord. I think its just a recreation. Listen to the clavia g2 modular demo to be convinced. Its so awesome OMG.
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The difference is discovery is one guy who started probly doing it for fun. Clavia is a team of professionals. The G2 demo clearly shows its nothing to do with hardware per se, just that the guys who produce hardware synths have the best software engineers. The only way this will ever change is if software piracy went away so that softsynth companies could afford to hire the same type of guys as Roland or Korg. |
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bukboy
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 16:12
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Its not that they cant afford em. its just that they know itl get pirated. fair comment since it will coz to copy = free. |
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heretical
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 16:44
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On 2008-03-14 16:12, bukboy wrote:
Its not that they cant afford em. its just that they know itl get pirated. fair comment since it will coz to copy = free.
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I disagree though, Korg and Roland are quite large companies compared to most softsynth companies. Most are just 1 guy who can pay his bills since even if most users pirate the stuff, they don't need that many buys to cover cost. For that guy to hire a team of programmers though like Roland, pay someone to tweak filter coeffencients for 8 hours a day, its not possible since you will lose money.ie...they can't afford it.
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 17:22
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On 2008-03-14 16:12, bukboy wrote:
Its not that they cant afford em. its just that they know itl get pirated. fair comment since it will coz to copy = free.
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I disagree though, Korg and Roland are quite large companies compared to most softsynth companies. Most are just 1 guy who can pay his bills since even if most users pirate the stuff, they don't need that many buys to cover cost. For that guy to hire a team of programmers though like Roland, pay someone to tweak filter coeffencients for 8 hours a day, its not possible since you will lose money.ie...they can't afford it.
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couldnt agree more hehe i guess thats why arturia decided to come out with the new hardware synth of theirs origin i think its called if im not mistaken, which was kinda kool to see from a company that had its birth in the vst world....props to them 
i wish i could create my own hardware synth... i like axel's designs he's one of the best synth designers!
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 17:25
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chek this one out for all fans of axel hartmann designs its one synth not many people have seen that he has design... according to review it sucks but the design is radikal jaja
http://www.till-kopper.de/hohner_adam.html |
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 17:31
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oh i almost forgot that synth in the link also reminds me of the neuron big time which is worth mentioning it was kinda of a prototype neuron... especially the inside of it hmmm interesting aint it... i like synth history
that kinda shit grabs my attention, but no one ever has mention how this synth and the neuron are so in a way alike in several aspects! aside from their technology but the pic with it open reminds me of when i opened my neuron up. |
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 19:37
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On 2008-03-14 10:46, -aeon- wrote:
dedicated sound shaping knobs ftw
it's like playing an instrument... rather than programming 
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Hell yeahs and such. No matter how good and how efficient VST's get the fact they are "virtual" limits you when that inspiration strikes. Drawing automation takes too long and most midi controllers have far too many step issues. Hell I have a metronome on my computer which works perfectly, but the fact I need a computer to use it really limits me in terms of playing a solid rhythm in my comfy place. And it's all about the comfy. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 19:49
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 19:50
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set up your space to be comfort
one thing i have to agree is that vst with midi controler (saved presets) as well using top notch stuff even on laptop is pritty easy and you can have 4-5 great synths in the price of one fancy hardware.. includ laptop soundcard midi keys and plugins.
for the steps issue its so easy to correct with "smooth" tool , takes about 1 second to make 30 seconds recording round like sine wave
this is as far for comfort
but sound quality is diffrent , offcourse nord sound else then discovery , i love to use both and even have a dialog between them showing the diffrence. (open factory presets in both machines - its not same sound , just same sound type , but the sysex is 100% matched)
but reaktor is usualy not sound any less good then hardware
and remember if not talk about laptops but desktops so synth is also portable..
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 01:03
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| I disagree though, Korg and Roland are quite large companies compared to most softsynth companies. Most are just 1 guy who can pay his bills since even if most users pirate the stuff, they don't need that many buys to cover cost. For that guy to hire a team of programmers though like Roland, pay someone to tweak filter coeffencients for 8 hours a day, its not possible since you will lose money.ie...they can't afford it. |
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Well yeah like many new companies the flow of money is limited. There is loads of small companies or privates that make their own soft synths. So there is a lot less professional stuff than with hardware where usually more established group of people or engineers are making the product.
Spectrasonics started as a group of sound designers who later borrowed the uvi engine to run their atmosphere and trilogy. their sound design skills and sampling have brought us great romplers and sounds libraries. Now that they have more money they have their team of programmers and are about to release omnisphere. this one looks like its going to be a killer.Its a process shit takes time.
With the release of massive zebra, ms 20, reaktor... and more to come I think ultimatly hardware might become useless. I wouldn't be suprise if the next virus was simply software run on a pc with a controller.
Still right now The best synths are still hardware in my opinion.
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piXan
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 01:59
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most of the synth ure talking about are just software too. is nice having a hardware but i just keep a real analog synth. for me theres no point nowadays to have a hardware virtual analog with the power of cpus and dedicated control like automap, its more like a thing people buy to try to get status, but at the end of the day , when no one is looking, they make everything with vst... hehe i mean id buy a virus ti but thats even more like a software synth than any other. and its the most popular hardware for psy..
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 02:42
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The point is that the company that designed the disco vst don't claim to have made an emulation of the Nord Lead - they don't say it sounds exactly like a Nord Lead - They just say that you can import presets.
Maybe the Disco vst doesn't have the same 'depth' or 'bite', but there is a statement that can be turned on its head. P'raps there are things you can do on the Disco VST that are good which you cannot do on the Nord Lead. I dunno, I don't have a nord lead to try with! But for example the new one has moog modelled filters and wave import in it... thats hardly emulation territory.
I think the point about CPU is excellent - As CPU's ramp up in power software engineers get sloppier, and more complex programs are available. There are always ways to burn power - taking the DSP outside of the CPU has to be an advantage - how much of an advantage is debatable, but it is clearly an advantage.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 03:18
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On 2008-03-15 02:42, Speakafreaka wrote:
The point is that the company that designed the disco vst don't claim to have made an emulation of the Nord Lead - they don't say it sounds exactly like a Nord Lead - They just say that you can import presets.
Maybe the Disco vst doesn't have the same 'depth' or 'bite', but there is a statement that can be turned on its head. P'raps there are things you can do on the Disco VST that are good which you cannot do on the Nord Lead. I dunno, I don't have a nord lead to try with! But for example the new one has moog modelled filters and wave import in it... thats hardly emulation territory.
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