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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 22:05:16
anyone tried to make a tune with only mono drums and synths sounds?
a friend claim the mixs that translate great in mono are often the one with great stereo too...
placing mono sounds careffully on the stereo image to give a wide feel may lead to a very different arrangement compared to using these comon stereo leads spread wide, it may lead also to a cleaner mix , open with cleaner mono translation .
i guess making a mix with lot of mono stuff , if you can make it sounding as open as when using lot of stereo materials by doing some smart arrangement could lead to some intressting stuff , better quality,better stereo image maybe ..and i m sure it s a great training for making more intresting mix.
i was thinking to this cause i hear lot of mix where it s just stereo sound that the guys try to open a lot on the side with doubling or others technics like stereo enhancers...imo some smart arrangement with mono sound can open a mix on the side and make the stereo action more intresting (but offcourse it s way more tricky compared to making wide stereo sound)
what do you think ?
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 03:03
I never use Mono But I make sure to place the stereo sounds very carefully (I even make use of Surround to place certain sounds behind etc.) making the tune wide but also clean.
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 04:55
I often use mono drums, I feel that it gives more room for playing around; for example, a pan envelope on a mono sample lets me control more precisely where it is in the stereo field, and avoids any potentially unwanted second channel that might overlap another. Stereo is after all just 2 conjoined mono channels.
As for synths, in my main writing work in Renoise, I usually leave them alone, then render stems, load into Reaper (which has nice nondestructive mono conversion), and convert stereo into mono l and r in their own channels with their own fades which adds a good bit of control over everything's placement in the stereo field.
And also, I don't like the idea of crossfeeding in the digital domain; stereo interaction taking place before actual playback. Its just my opinion of course, but I prefer to keep all the stereo interactions for IRL, the air, your ears. I dont really know if its such an issue, but it doesnt hurt and Reaper makes it stupid-easy .
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Mono is very good That's why mixers often have mono channels, and instruments are mono too, like guitars and pianos, and even my hardware synths has mono outputs.
Mixing a lot of stereo sounds can mess up things, and when played on a mono systen (like that ever would happen ) the sounds combined from left and right can cancel out eachother.
I use a lot of mono tracks in my productions, panning them out ofcourse (which automatically makes it stereo, but in an 'assymetrical' way). If i need some stereo synth, i cram it through a stereo effect like phaser/flanger or delay
But this is just what i read... might be a tad oldskool though, and not fitting the modern production techniques we use in the digital domain
how would you know just by listening if a sample is recorded in mono or stereo?
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Posted : Jul 19, 2011 12:12
mono sometimes is audible by being tighter in teh stereo field, but other than taht, idk
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Posted : Jul 19, 2011 14:41
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On 2011-07-19 11:53, elastic_plastic wrote:
how would you know just by listening if a sample is recorded in mono or stereo?
a mono signal is in the center when the pan button is on the middle,exaclty like the kick and bassline. it mean whats coming out of your left and right speakers is identical.
i said mono but a stereo file with both chanel identical is the same to me, maybe it s not correct to say this.. but there is just a volume difference between the too.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2011 15:04
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On 2011-07-18 03:03, Beat Agency wrote:
I never use Mono But I make sure to place the stereo sounds very carefully (I even make use of Surround to place certain sounds behind etc.) making the tune wide but also clean.
i think lot of psytrance lack intresting placement in the stereo field,it may make the arrangement more difficult but i gess it pay in the end.(less frequency clash,more separation,make the music more intresting, cleaner ,wider..) it s tricky cause it have to sound good for the guys that are on the side of the dancefloor , means some elements that really matter should maybe not be panned too much on the side except if it s the effect wanted
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a mono signal is in the center when the pan button is on the middle,exaclty like the kick and bassline. it mean whats coming out of your left and right speakers is identical....
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well, one cant say that easy like this, cause if i place my leads in the middle and spread them, the content will still be indentical while not beeing a single sense of mono.
mono means that a single voice was used during the synthesis, feel free to google monophonic.
in electroacoustical means it is a one channel recording....
imao its just about the art placing the sound to get the overall interesting and catch the audience ears. while simple arrangements like drumset in the middle, guitar left, bass right will be caught somehow usual by your ear, it will anyways recognize any difference to the usual more than the usual....
one usually is getting from the center to the sides and from the front to behind the drumset/kick/bass. theres no rule imo....
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Posted : Jul 20, 2011 13:47
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On 2011-07-20 11:08, Zlope wrote:
well, one cant say that easy like this, cause if i place my leads in the middle and spread them, the content will still be indentical while not beeing a single sense of mono.
if you spread them it become stereo, both side won t be anymore identical (you will delay one side or use detuning or whatever you want it make L and R no more identical)
how i say it is not very good yes and i think it s not correct..
for me a stereo signal with both side identical is the same as a mono signal but the stereo one have 3db increase.
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Posted : Jul 26, 2011 03:53
damn when i listen to this make me wonder if a big part of todays producers know what is a pan knob but they sure know how to turn unisson and spread on lol dunno if it s just me but i find it get really boring, there is so much intresting stuff to make ,sad many dont take advantage of it to make their tunes more intresting
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That's why mixers often have mono channels, and instruments are mono too, like guitars and pianos, and even my hardware synths has mono outputs.
