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Some thoughts on using samples and name with "drugs" in music and permission for parties
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 19:17
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imo you got a bit out of concept...because if drug samples are totally ok when they re part of the musical expression, they are still there...and there is still a lot to quote from the journalists
so, I slowly think this thread should be renamed to "please stop with those lame and overdone drugsamples, as long as you dont use them in a good & creative way" but thats a bit too long for a topic I think 
anyway, just my thoughts...and I can give you a whole bunch of tracknames where those are a big part of the musical expression (just have a look at my signature for example, or even in the psysex track you quoted I find that sample pretty important..but thats just me  )
  https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 19:29
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On 2007-08-22 19:17, MadScientist wrote:
imo you got a bit out of concept...because if drug samples are totally ok when they re part of the musical expression, they are still there...and there is still a lot to quote from the journalists
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and the amount of them is not important? if there are less, they are more difficult to find. if there is more of something it is more obvious. and I don't find them "totaly ok" but at least they have purpose. The topic name would have been much better that way, I admit.
edit: And, mad, I've said it many times before. I'm talking of the cases, where they have no purpose.  ok? Most of my music for you to download at:
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 19:50
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somehow yes, it is important for how much sense all this makes
actually, I cant even think of that much tracks now where its not used in a musical expressioned way (except the 10tracks of the mics album )
but I'm remembering quite a lot where its the case...
and overall, I think its no matter for a journalist who wants to fuck something up...he will find what he needs for it...and although I bet he will still find a lot of those, he will always find something else if thats not the case, like already mentioned
oh and I got a question for you...I'm just working on a track where I'm using some samples about substance-D from a scanner darkly...is that ok?  https://soundcloud.com/hazak
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 19:58
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On 2007-08-22 19:50, MadScientist wrote:
and overall, I think its no matter for a journalist who wants to fuck something up...he will find what he needs for it...and although I bet he will still find a lot of those, he will always find something else
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Sure he will, but I won't deliver him anything! he he he.. excellent!
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 20:10
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hehe Substance-D
you should watch A Scanner Darkly, great movie from the team of waking life!
its a super drug that exists there, which is the most powerful, most addictive drug ever seen...be careful, you get highly schizophrenic from that
I just wondered if that is ok cause its not real...but I think some stupid journalist would also make a quote of that and would make a big headline like "new super drug in the psychedelic scene" or something hehe
anyway, I think you got my point, and I got yours
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 20:31
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Damm, you just reminded me, "waking life" has been recommended to me so many times.. I always forgot the name and never saw it.."A Scanner Darkly" never heard of it. Cool two films on my list
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 22, 2007 20:43
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A Scanner Darkly is pretty new...came out on dvd in spring here in germany I think
2 great movies...and cool alternatives when you run out of drug samples
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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ohshit
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 08:33
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From Waking Life Wikipedia Trivia:
The film's opening and lucid dreaming conversations are used in the song "...But Nothing Is Lost" by Shpongle. The lucid dreaming conversations are also used in the song "Acid For Nothing" by 1200 Micrograms.
Just to close the circle. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 10:05
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 14:05
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defenately...the A LOT of psytracks contain waking life samples...really a lot!
I wonder if its the same soon with a scanner darkly
its a great movie overall, not that phylosophic like waking life...but it has a nice story and on of those endings that let you go like WTF
Phillip K Dick rocks as hell...I just say do androids dream of electric sheep?
oh and I heard there is already coming a new movie from one of his stories soon...dont remember the name now tough
overall I think we turned this topic now into something totally out of topic lol  good way, but I think ohshit just gave scs some new arguments
https://soundcloud.com/hazak
"Have you ever had that feeling where you're not sure if you're awake or still dreaming?"
"Hmm, yeah... All the time, man - it's called mescaline. The only way to fly!" |
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 18:56
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It is the mystery that makes it so popular and the disire to control that makes it impossable the whole world is on a razor's edge one step away from disaster and instead of fighting for our freedom we are becoming slaves? What is the point of this discussion? Are any one of us really in control of the "trance scene" do you think it is something that we decided to do or is it just something that happened? Why not go with the flow and find out what you want to do and how you want to contribuite. I mean it may be true that it is getting more difficult because of all the drug commentary and so on but at the same time I think that you are in way over your head. What about the AliensWe don't need no education? I mean come on! we all need education but we don't need "education" if you know what I mean.
I don't take drugs now or agree with them much but I think that we all have the right to choose for ourselves. at the same time I don't like the Idea of a "poison giver" misleading others and causing harm.
how much do we really understand about what is really going on?
respect to the old school who wrote meaningfull lyrics for themselves instead of just cutting and pasting other ppl's ideas from movies and such but at the same time we all get inspiration from each other and we all want to have our say.
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 19:22
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I'll try to divert this just for a bit and share few sentences that I believe to be somehow relevant to this topic. Even thou they've been written years and years ago they still have more to offer than most of what we've wrote here so far.
So here are few words from Lao Tzu:
- Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them - that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like.
- If you realize that all things change, there is nothing you will try to hold on to. If you are not afraid of dying, there is nothing you cannot achieve.
- He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still.
- He who talks more is sooner exhausted.
- He who knows, does not speak. He who speaks, does not know.
Now the last one scared me since I talk a lot, but thinking about it I've noticed that is has a certain kind of paradox in it and find it to have reassuring content after all.
So what I'm suggesting is LET GO! Enjoy nice things in life and don't waste your time holding on to things you can not change.
Like A. Huxley said: there's only one little corner of space that you can change... and that corner is your self!
Repeat the things you find worth repeating (be it samples or what have you) and don't identify your self with what you are doing because if you do than all you're really doing is identifying your self.
EDIT: I've just stumbled over one particularly interesting line from Lao Tzu:
- The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. "It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
Albert Einstein, speaking about his theory of relativity |
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Tomos
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 21:50
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I wouldn't trust every fortune cookie you get. I believe you have to make your own mantras, that way you truly understand them and they have real personal meaning. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 23:58
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On 2007-08-23 21:50, Tomos wrote:
I wouldn't trust every fortune cookie you get. I believe you have to make your own mantras, that way you truly understand them and they have real personal meaning.
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well said!
I'm interested in what people say and not what people say that people have said. 1-1. I can read on my own.
Some of them are good quotations all the same.
Here is another one:
- Good debates are not about if actions and choices are right or wrong, but about ensuring doing them in full awareness. They are for consciousness.
and:
- The more you read, the less you see. the childrens eyes see the world.
- those who seek, read, those who think, find.
a and almost forgot:
What are you going to do next? I go to disneyland!
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 10:38
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For me there is one thing missing in the dicussion and that is the „where-to-draw-the-line-question“. What are drug samples? Is it just a drug sample when it names a drug like „lets all take some mescaline“? Or is „suddenly, everything was different, i saw things that dont exist in real life“ or something like that a drug sample too because it seems to have only one meaning, someone is tripping on drugs. I mean it could also have a spiritual meaning but for „normal people“ it would be considered a drug sample. So considering that, you are real fast at a point where there is a limitation to the creativity of the artist and i think there are alot of samples in psytrance that COULD have a drug related meaning for some people though the artist maybe meant somthing comlpetely different. So where to draw the line?
Further it also depends on who is using these samples. When i produce a track using drugsamples, nobody ever gives a shit because the only one who listens to the track is me and a couple of friends. I dont think you, subconciousmind, would recommend to not use the sample, i think you would say something like „for me drugsamples are lame, you dont need them but if you want it in your track just do it, nobody is going to here it anyway.“ And for those artists who get played on the festivals or even get media attention, i see that drugsample are going to disappear sooner or later because as you said they have been used so much that they kinda suck now. So making it an unwritten law to avoid drugsamples in order to add one little detail to a better view of the masses on psytrance is just a nice thought, but thats it. And some things will never change, infected mushroom is not going to change there name and the biggest international psytrance magazine „mushroom“ is also not going to change a shit.
so i respect your thoughts subconciousmind and i think you mind about this thing because you love psytrance and its scene so much but in my opinion it is just what i said, a nice thought but even as a little detail of zero importance for the future of psytrance and its reputation. So „banning“ drug samples from our music has – completely the opposite of what you wrote – more negative effects on psytrance as a kind of culture that stands up fort the rights of the individual that it would have positive effects on the way the masses see psytrance.
koncz
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