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Some thoughts on using samples and name with "drugs" in music and permission for parties
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Chuk
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 20:49
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i think we are kinda saying the same thing here 
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AjmaGard
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 22:13
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Now, I will admit that I did not read more than two/three pages of replies but my view on this is:
If you, as an artist, avoid using certain samples because of the way the general public will perceive it, you have failed big time.
I really don't think that the samples has anything to do with the "bad reputation" psychedellic music has.
When 75% (my lowest estimate) of the people attending parties are using drugs, it makes headlines in the newsmedia. People who have never attended a party will find this horrific. And THIS gives the entire scene including the music a "bad reputation".
I really don't have a problem with this since I prefer "smaller" parties. As soon as something becomes mainstream, it tends to attract more morons (people who can't control their drug-use, people who like to fight etc.), and I really think we are beginning to see too many of those already.
I have used a few drug-related samples in some of my tracks. Not many, but in some tracks they just seem to fit
The voice samples used (if any) can really add some flavour to a track and make it more memorable. If the artist think a drug-quote fits: so be it. It's his right as an artist to use it
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 00:25
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On 2007-08-29 20:49, Chuk wrote:
i think we are kinda saying the same thing here |
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My point exactly  Understanding is not a point of view. What you understand you can only repeat in the same context (the word UNDER-STAND in it self suggest the nature of the experience), but having a point of view enables you to express it in countless methapores, shapes and flavors.
So the more we strive to reach the point of understanding the more we are further from having a functional point of view. Hopefully no one will understand me but many will have their own point of view about what they don't understand as so often is the case. Ain't that a trip of trips when you think of it?!
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 02:55
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shamantrixx - im trying to understand  hehe
i dont understand why i dont understand while others understand! So i pretend to understand!
Cheers all!
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Chambao
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 09:24
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i didnt read all of the replies, so i'll only reply to the first entry.
so, in my opinion man, you dont know what u gotten urself into
PSY-trance isnt called that because of Psychology trance, is PSYCHEDELIC.
and Psychedelic is just that, a mind altering something.
Psytrance in itself is a drug.
its not taken orally, or injected, or smoked, but its heard, and who is to say that drugs cant be taken in the form of Sound waves, and through the ears?
how do you feel when you listen to music? yeah... thats right, you feel trance.
dont be discriminating, Drugs arent that bad, the government and the society makes you think that way, but psytrance is outside that narrow world of government and society, psytrance is our own space inside the world where we can go nuts without taking in orders, laws, stupid stuff from anyone, its our own way of freedom.
i feel that you feel so badly against drugs, maybe you should consider changing music genres...
Peace, and i hope you try to understand the drug culture, because its completely interconnected with the psy culture.
P.S
while were on this, maybe we should ban sex samples too?
maybe ban movie samples because its copyrighted? Love is Life
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bukboy
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 10:49
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I will forever be puzzled over how one band can be ahead of its time, another can be contemporary and yet another a has-been.
Seems like some kind of balance has to be struck between provoking the audience and giving it what its used to.(pushing the limit of contemporary)
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 11:05
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just one to say one thing that is a bit related -
i was dissapointed to learn mushroom magazine canceled thier cd review section to cut down on costs, but still post a two page article about drug use in almost every issue.
i thought we are all here for the music no?
just a thought.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 13:49
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@ Freeflow: I knew you'll get the point
Here's an example of not understanding while having a point of view:
I can not understand this trend of stating things like:
"i didnt read all of the replies, so i'll only reply to the first entry."
or:
"Now, I will admit that I did not read more than two/three pages of replies but my view on this is:"
It's like saying that you don't care about what others think about this subject but you believe that somehow people will be interested in your opinion nevertheless. I must say, it's a quite lousy punchline
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 14:10
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On 2007-08-30 11:05, faxinadu wrote:
i was dissapointed to learn mushroom magazine canceled thier cd review section to cut down on costs, but still post a two page article about drug use in almost every issue.
i thought we are all here for the music no?
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Maybe the mushroom magazine stuff read recent topic about "money attitude" that some artists have and came to the conclusion that we're not all here for the music? So why spend money on music reviews when artists feel the way they do? Since you feel that you have a right to get the money for music you should also feel the need to pay for review. It makes sense to me. Trying to kick out "drugs" from music in order to make music more appealing to society only further supports writing about drugs rather than about music.
Drug users on the other hand are grateful for drug related informations and they don't try to get any money out of it. This also makes sense.
Now I'm not in any way related to mushroom magazine and this can all be just my wild imagination acting on behalf of my point of view. But it could be some truth in it also. Internet WILL change the world... far sooner that some would like to.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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jivamukti
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 16:50
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Hi, I'm founding a new genre called "drug-free psychedelic trance". Anybody want to join? The anthem of the movement will feature Just Say No samples and is destined to become a TOP40 hit.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 17:13
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what is your problem shamantrix seriously?
you get a kick in life coming on this forum and yelling your uncompromosing views at everyone who wants to (or doesn't) want to hear? makes your peen hard? seriously explain to me.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 17:36
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On 2007-08-30 17:13, faxinadu wrote:
what is your problem shamantrix seriously?
you get a kick in life coming on this forum and yelling your uncompromosing views at everyone who wants to (or doesn't) want to hear? makes your peen hard? seriously explain to me.
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hey man! i agree with shamantrixx!
what he said was kind of clever! haha
and it certainly touched you in a way
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 17:39
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of course it touched. it touched in a way of coming to say one thing, and having it twisted completely into another thing, wich happens to about 90% of all topics here because folks like this dude.
what is clever about it?
yes you rather drug info than music info? so go to erowid why are u on this site?
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 17:54
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i wont get into this mushroom magazine discussion cause i dont know a thing how they work... really i think we should ask them about this!! you should do it Faxi casue you said it... lets invite them to the discussion
of course its nice with CD reviews from certain people who know what they talk about and not just hyping casue its a friend who did the music or whatever... i mean professional reviews.
Drug info is always good when its based on truth and not propaganda... i like reading trip-reports
But lets go back to,
"Since you feel that you have a right to get the money for music you should also feel the need to pay for review." yeah it makes sense to me to..
as an artist do you think reviewers should get paid?
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 18:04
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first i must say i love mushroom magazine, and also dig the people who run the mag and participate.
and of course reviewers should get paid, and this magazine has a lot of money generating operations - paid advetisments, paid subscriptions, trance card, sales and more.
personally if and when i release my cd towards next year i will buy promotion there.
again, look how my words are twisted. in my original post i didn't say drug info should not be included, and i didn't say reviewers should or should not get money or anything of the sort. the person who started talking about money is shamantrix, and he is reffering to other threads where i took a stance against piracy of music.
what i did say is that its a shame that drug news comes AHEAD of music reviews in priority, and when it got time to cancel something, it was the music reviews that got sacrificied, in a music magazine!
cheers
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