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Some thoughts on using samples and name with "drugs" in music and permission for parties
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 11:38
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koncz, I think you put it very well.
For the "where is the line". Good point, new twist.
I'm talking about the obvious stuff and especially about the stuff which seem to have put because they thought its kind of "cool". Especially the "mescaline" sample I finde extremley stupid, since in my opinion the way it is said and the overall song really doesn't live up to the holyness of the substance, its being played down to a "fun" thing. So thats on the other side of the line for me. Whereas elaborate speach about a drug, without mentioning it at all is ok for me.
Some things never change, thats true, but I think I've put it many times, that I start with me, not caring if it is a detail or not.
You claim that the positive efx are smaller than the negative, which, if this is the case would be a good point to go on with the samples. But the way you put it, is not asking "where to draw the line", but is black and white.
What I say is: That everytime these samples and names are put just for fun, psytrance habit, coolness, lack of idea, put in a carless way conveing a wrong image of the drug, the positive efx of avoiding them is bigger than the negative. In my opinion that is the bigger part of uses. And I really believe I have a point there.
Maybe I have to point something out. I don't want anybody to change what he does, or to put any "laws", but everybody to think about what he does. I want to sensitize for the complexity of the subject.
Its not: use or use not.
Its: when, how, why do I use them and in conjunction: What do they when, how, why cause where...
These samples and names are without any doubt not JUST samples and names, but they are used as if they were JUST samples and names. just as most samples and names in psytrance.. but with the mentioned its more delicate.
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the daleks
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 11:45
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@smind
i get what your saying, and you'll notice from my first post (if you read it) that I supported your point about "raising the bar" and the influences things can have on people
however, i think that it is a moot point to ry and draw a line. i understand about being a precise person, i know a few here too. but as you say about compromise and understanding as well, maybe its just not as clear as you would want it to be. fuzzy logic or fuzzy reasoning comes into play because an artistic medium it is a matter of taste, and you cant really draw a line
regarding the parties, i just tried to give you some ideas about what you can do thats gonna have a bigger impact than trying to influence other musicians. for years 'trance' parties had a bad name here, and still do. alot of clubs or rentals still wont let people hold them to, and just say flat out no
however, some people started getting smart, looking for new locations, or having mixed parties with different genres i.e. house, progressive, psytrance, and maybe even some live bands. now they are called music festivals or dance parties, and the image is getting better, and attracting a better quality/mix of customers
just ideas, anyway. and about leaving the country, you don't have to think of it as 'running away'. in fact by going to a different country, it could be incredibly enriching and you could learn some new things. not to say it isn't a challenge at times though
peace!
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the daleks
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 11:50
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ok sorry if i misunderstood you there, I just saw your post now, and maybe we posted at the same time
ok, good to think about it, and sensitize it, that i agree with
fyi, there is a track i made where the sample from Dean Mckenna on a radio show mentions the word 'ketamine' for me that was important to the song, because the dialog touches on alien encounters and near death experiences, and also I wanted to raise awareness about ketamine as a useful tool for exploring inner space
psysex with their LSD sample may be of a similar thing, and I dug the OOOD tracks which gave me a good laugh
i guess you have to expect a heated discussion on isratrance 
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"42"
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 13:05
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Well,
At the begginning of the 20th century (1920's +-) we had Jazz. Jazz was a "Black" music, which only "stroned" people created and listened.
Later on it globalized.
At the 40's & the 50's, we had the Big Band, and the Blues, which also- which was leaded by stoned and crack-heads.
Later on it globalized.
At the 60's & the 70's we had Rock, which was created by LSD, Heroin, Hash, Marijuana, and any substance you can imagine.
Later on it globalized.
At the 80's we had techno, which was the music of the freaks and was considered to be loved by the ones who use acid, crack.
Later on it globalized.
At the 90's we had Hip-Hop and Trance which are still today being thought as kinds of music to the stoned and crazy.
Hip Hop globalized.
In all of these genres, drugs thought to be, and really were at the heart of the scene - as drugs are in this case. So as all these genres got globalized-
Trance Will Too.
People will accept it, love it, and listen to it all around - that is how things went... and how things will go... |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 14:52
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On 2007-08-23 23:58, subconsciousmind wrote:
Here is another one:
- Good debates are not about if actions and choices are right or wrong, but about ensuring doing them in full awareness. They are for consciousness. |
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Tnx. I like this one. If you happen to know the author I'd like to know. Not that it matters who is the author but I like to make a reference when I quote others. I feel that those people deserve to be mentioned since I'm so often using their words.
Other lines don't really appeal to me but only because of the context you put them in. If seeing the world like a child is a way we should see the world (and I also guess that it is if not the best than at least the better way to see it) than another quote about thinking is completely beside the first point.
Like Krishnamurti once said: "analysis - paralysis". Analysis is never complete because the analyzer is the analyzed and therefor it paralyzes the person doing it. Thinking is in it's nature the critical, discriminative analysis.
You see... finding your own quotes (or mantras) is a nice, individualistic thing to do but only if you see the essence of them rather than merely seeking the lines that will serve your point of view. In that way you soon arrive to point such is this one where you make obvious contradictions because you ware trying to achieve your goal (prove your point) rather than debating in the spirit of the first quote which I very much like.
Any one can google for a few quotes that will fit his need, but it is utterly different from quoting from the books you've read and you followed the context of those quotes all the way trough the book. Because understanding of a phrase, or understanding in general is NOT a point of view!
@ Tomos: fortune cookie metaphore clearly reflects your prejudice on this subject. I don't mind that but be aware that condemning Lao Tzu to be a "fortune cookie mantra" without reading it first is an act of utter ignorance and thus it describes you rather than anything else. But I guess that equally as psytrance gets condemned by those who don't understand it the very psytrance people also do exactly the same to things they don't understand or like. So until we act in that manner any debate about it is a waste of time. We'll change things only by changing our minds.
You have to be the change you want to see in the world.
Ghandi
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mk47
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 15:13
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daleks, to draw the "line" is fully subjective, but I think one has to think about where and if to draw the personal line.. thats part of sensitizing for me.
the different kinds of parties are not an option for me, since there is adaption into "unpsychedelic" done which certainly would defeat the purpose of "psytrance" as I understand it.
As for the "bigger" changes that can be done, you are certainly right. But as I said, the fact that bigger things are possible or others do not change etc. can not be brought up, since this must never be an excuse not to do the little things everybody can do.
So it is actualy, precisly taken not part of the discussion. not of any discussion, except its about how to use ones ressources.
But I realy believe we came to a good end now.
"42" if you are really right and psytrance will become this popular it certainly doesn't matter anymore. I fully agree.
As for I'm concerned I don't believe "psytrance" with emphasis on "psy" trance has this chance. Maybe SOME of the popular fullon which I consider elaborate techno or just "trance" has that chance.. but I don't believe this will be considered "psy"trance then anymore. You also have to see, that the thing with psytrance in israel is uncomparable to other countrys. f.i here if you go to a school here, you have from the 16 year old 1 out of 100 into psytrance in best case.. the rest is into hiphop or nothing.
Here it is more like drumandbass which never became big and never becomes big, cause its too specific. So is psytrance. just my point of view. could be right, your could be right too. its hard to say.
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 16:01
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O o o... why take party-related stuff so seriously ? It's supposed to be fun  Shouldn't the main focus be to reach a state of smiling instead of consensus ?
Of course, i'm talking for myself here.
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 20:51
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theres no good way to say this but i dont think its just samples in songs that are the problem maybe its the way people are viewing and treating drugs? psy parties arent just play time or an excuse to take something. sorry i dont want to say more maybe this isnt the best place for this discussion. I just think that maybe the best way to keep this scene alive is to cooerce it away from such things make it about spirituality rather than chemistry. you know what im saying?
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Chuk
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 20:52
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Im sure the "authorities" love this thread.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 21:14
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Im sure the "authorities" love this thread.
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Im sure they have full time with terrorist but it wouldnt surprise me if they hade a unit that scans forums and stuff, casue if you think that they are checking then im sure they do it cause humans are twisted beings, fucking paranoia and people arent even high! Hey maybe we should do a armed revolution so their time spent isnt in vain
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 22:23
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hmm haven't read only 1 or 2 pages of this thread, but i want to say that in general i think that using samples about drugs in a song is somehow something related to the style of music. i used samples in a song from a documention about drugs on tv. there a woman describes her feelings about the feeling of a lsd-trip, and i used them to describe the atmosphere of the song at the moment (its a bit older track so i think it didnt really sound like it should  ) anyways, i think many "drug samples" can give a statement to a part of a track or the whole theme of it even without just "talking about drugs". and because of that it is somehow part of the atmosphere and the basic theme of a track and shouldnt be just let out of it because there may be some bad guy (that doesnt even have a relation to that kind of music) who might hear it and grades the whole music down to some kind of "addicted drugfreak music". just my opinion |
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 22:48
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On 2007-08-28 21:14, Freeflow wrote:
Im sure they have full time with terrorist but it wouldnt surprise me if they hade a unit that scans forums and stuff, casue if you think that they are checking then im sure they do it cause humans are twisted beings, fucking paranoia and people arent even high! Hey maybe we should do a armed revolution so their time spent isnt in vain
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Finally a fresh idea in this otherwise useless topic By doing otherwise completely irrational thing (armed revolution) we would turn current situation from utterly stupid and useless to at least a functional level.
I must say that I'm deeply impressed with this idea because it describes the world we live in. If we would do even the most stupid of all thing it would still make some sense. Only thing that makes no sense is not doing anything about stupid things imposed to us by the "authority".
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Chuk
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 02:29
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are native american rituals about mescaline? no they are about the ritual. So we must realize that what we are doing here is a ritualistic practice and focus on that. Its not about the vehicle its about the trip.
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 19:48
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A good traveler has no fixed plans, and is not intent on arriving.
Same thing we have here... it's better to have a good trip and never arrive at the destination than arriving to destination trough a bad trip.
One more way of putting it is that it's better to live a good life and never arrive at your death hour than dyeing early after a bad life.
Being it such obvious and simple matter of fact one can not understand this mass mania of having abundance of goals in life and neck breaking desire to reach them as soon as possible. Like living faster will somehow make you live better and longer life
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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