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Some thoughts on using samples and name with "drugs" in music and permission for parties
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 12:26
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Many PsyTrance songs have names or contain samples where there is talk about illegal drugs, some positive some negative.
No mattering if the message is pro or contra drugs, for "normal" people, say the police investigating a party or people just looking into the scene (press) finding CDs called 1200mics etc. this just looks as if this must be a scene built around drugs.
I don't want to talk about if this is the case or not, but about the fact, that in many (and more and more)country psytrance partys are generally forbidden.
Fact is: We as artist, cut into our own flesh if we name our songs after drugs or use such samples. If we want, that this scene can go on, partys can go on, we have to stop this.
From the outer world this looks irresponsible.. and not only that.. we also have to think about if they aren't right.
More and more country stop Psytrance parties in the first place, arguing, that they are drug partys. music which supports this opinion certainly isn't a helping detail!
Understand, this is not a discussion about, if the Psytrance scene is a drug scene, or if some laws are just, make sense or not or if marihuana should be legal or not etc.
This is about us, abandoning some habits to help Psytrance to be easier accepted by society. just as distributing drug information flyers at a party.
Think about it..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 13:20
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Scala
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 13:47
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drugs has been going along with music 4 decade..
i"m from israel.. did u know that between 60-70 's , the beatless was on the way to perform in israel, and the goverment didnt allow it , and the concert
was cancelled , same reason ..
now think of the ignorence of society , its just people
who's affried , acting out of feer , and i didnt menion doors , hedrix, joplin and others ,
what i"m sayin is do your drugs at home or do it confidentaly , and u wont get the party closed , ha
whoever wanna do drugs do it privete that way u wont get caught and patyis will continue . |
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astrotec
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 13:57
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relax dude, take a chill pill. it ain't called PSYCHEDELIC-trance for nothing is it? |
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 14:45
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hahaha
i thought 1200mics was 1200 MICROPHONES!
yeah right , and my name is sattelite battle 
try to imagine woodstock without the acid , punk gigs without beer , gay parties without cokaine ...
the only small diffrence from the sweet 90's is that it realy used to be acid-parties , and now it psytrance parties .
the music wasnt the main idea/thing , it is the soundtrack that fit the spirit. and it still does.
anyhow , premission to parties got 0% connection to the samples.
i meen , i have alot of spiritual positive samples , is it helping ? no.
so same with drugs samples , is it harmfull ? no.
i agree 100% that to give REAL drugs info (like from erowid) is good idea , but the REAL info will make police stop it even faster. u aint gonna give me flyer saying smoke some weed makes me hallucinate right ? and thats what anti-drug assholes believe in. good luck change the world 
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:10
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Man, you guys just don't get it, do you?
Sorry, if it was to complicated and differenciated thoughts for you
READ AGAIN.
And please put down your "put him in that drawer" sunglasses. Try to understand what I say, and not to read what you want to read.
You can not fight the system, not destroy it. You have to INFILTRATE it.
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pavaka
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:14
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:26
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I've just read my post again, and can say that you guys really haven't read or understood at all since I expressed my self mor than clear enough.
I talk about stop using samples, and you tell me that acid is important for XY... where is the connection?
turn brain on, press ENTER
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On 2007-08-19 12:26, subconsciousmind wrote:
I don't want to talk about if this is the case or not, but about the fact, that in many (and more and more)country psytrance partys are generally forbidden.
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Understand, this is not a discussion about, if the Psytrance scene is a drug scene, or if some laws are just, make sense or not or if marihuana should be legal or not etc.
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To add, this is not about if drugs are good or bad, or important or not for the scene etc. this is not about us anyway.
This is just about what society SEEs, and (just as you with me) WANTS TO SEE.
You have two choices.
One: try to educate 7billion people so that they understand what psychedlic trance etc. is about and that they do not have to be afraid of.
Two: just avoid a couple of small things, do some others, to make them less afraid. (Which doesn't mean changing your purpose, core etc. - or do you want to say that stoppin using drug names and samples is betraying your own way? )
Fact is, I've read newspaper reports on psytrance, quoting samples and songnames to underline that this scene is dangerous and should be extinct...
Think of what happens in india.. do you think it helps when local press comes across an album with all track titles being drugs?
Well done.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:34
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On 2007-08-19 13:20, Spindrift wrote:
Maybe change the name from psy-trance to conformist-trance as well?
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YEA! When I listened to the music at a party two weeks ago I also thought of that name!!
I was so stunned of how much talk about "psychedelic experiences" and all kind of psychedelich drugs there was in that music, and at the same time how COMPLETELY UNPSYCHEDLIC, untrippy the music actualy was...
Common, this comment is do dogmatic and extremly lame... if you don't see that this matter is more differenciated than that I can't explain it to you.
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bandarlog
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:45
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Drugssamples should be banned for another reason: it's not cool, it's wannabe cool... How many times have I heard the sample from Ali G when the cops going over the different types of drugs. I can really imagine producers use that from a commercial point of view. It's hard to name or recommend a song to someone without any lyrics. "Yeah man that song that goes dum-dudum-dum" just don't work. but if you use cool samples with the forbidden fruit as a subject, an average 18y/o stoner WILL remember it.
So ban them cause they're plain stupid & commercial
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:47
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On 2007-08-19 15:45, bandarlog wrote:
So ban them cause they're plain stupid & commercial
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LOL, I'm ok with that too 
But hey.. wait.. they are important for the message... hum.. which message?...
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 15:56
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Whenever a subculture tries to adapt to "to be easier accepted by society" is the death of it.
I'm not to keen in general about drug samples, but IMO no producers that feels like using them should avoid it out of concern what society might think.
Anyway, I prefer underground parties compared to big commercial events, so I really couldn't be less concerned with adopting what samples I use to what the media and politicians want....let those 7 billion think what they want and let me use whatever samples I like.
Basically what you are trying to do is asking others to limit their creativity to please a view that society might hold, even if they don't agree with that view them self.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 16:27
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I'm totally with spindrift here...
also I dont think that stopping to use drug samples will help that much to change the view of the rest of the world...for example, u can show tracks without any samples to some people and I bet at least one will always say "that sounds like crazy drug music"
and in long terms, this is only going to make our scene to another big mainstream style
take it like it is...and like spindrift mentioned, changing your thoughts on music to change the view of the whole world on your music is IMO far more commercial than most of todays eurotrance-psy
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 16:30
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On 2007-08-19 15:56, Spindrift wrote:
Whenever a subculture tries to adapt to "to be easier accepted by society" is the death of it.
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There is a lot truth in it, but doesn't apply if the change only affects something which is unneccesairy, dispensable for the subculture.
So are those samples.
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Anyway, I prefer underground parties compared to big commercial events, so I really
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Whats that got to do with it? I don't now if you are organizing, but here in switzerland, its difficult for any size of event, if it should be outdoors.
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Basically what you are trying to do is asking others to limit their creativity to please a view that society might hold, even if they don't agree with that view them self.
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what? "limit their creativiy"
limiting creativity, by stop using senseless samples? This is actually demanding creativity instead of doing something 100s have done before, which is completly UNcreativ.. man I'm so sorry for your creativity... common, start to argue seriously and not just how its confortable for you.. this comment can't be taken serious and just makes you look stupid, sorry
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Aug 19, 2007 16:37
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On 2007-08-19 16:27, MadScientist wrote:
I'm totally with spindrift here...
also I dont think that stopping to use drug samples will help that much to change the view of the rest of the world...for example, u can show tracks without any samples to some people and I bet at least one will always say "that sounds like crazy drug music"
and in long terms, this is only going to make our scene to another big mainstream style
take it like it is...and like spindrift mentioned, changing your thoughts on music to change the view of the whole world on your music is IMO far more commercial than most of todays eurotrance-psy
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look, its one DETAIL OF MANY, of course there is much more needed to change anythin.. but they don't belong in this forum..
but I understand, that if you have never organized a party and have been rejected permission for or had stopped a small, uncommercial party, just because they read in the newspaper about how drugy these scene is, you wont understand, that just jumping over ones shadow, giving in just a little here and there has nothing to do with "commercialism" or betraying onseself, but is not more than a peaceful strategy showing tolerance against people who can not open their eyes.
What did you reach so far with your fight?
To fight, is war.
To negotiate, to find good compromises is the only way in all situations..
If one party thinks that the other has to give in completely, it will never help and never stop.. i'm really sad, that I have to say this here.. I didn't think I'm talking to the USArmee. Most of my music for you to download at:
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