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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 12:59
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On 2007-11-11 04:46, Elad wrote:
generaly , i was saying about the final result , so it meens the synthesis capabilites... this are pure digital and the fact its hardware not make it analog anywayz.. if we talk on moog then it got "some" point to it , but also not must in order to get best result.
about the Io and all the other stuff on hardware synths i think it sure cost more then 1 complete computer to handle only 1 vst... atleast give me 2-3 sound engines why just 1 for this price hehe..i think piko blanko got it right , they need to pay employs and shiping and rent for factory etc.
today with + - 1000$ u get pritty good computer+nice soundcard , u have to agree its more usefull then 1 digital synth? again , to the poor begginer speicaly , if u rich mtv producer sure u can have whatever u like anywayz
hehe , i thought the main opose to the post will be abut FL lol
does more peaple often see topics presented as facts while actualy being mistake/opinion?
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My point from the beginning was that no matter what, Software is never gonna sound the same as the hardware big brother. But who cares does it sound good then it sounds good.
Let me just make one remark, the virus emulation for the TC cards would probably be a 99.99% replica since it PROBABLY uses the same algorithms as the virus hardware synth.
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shachar
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 16:22
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On 2007-11-10 06:21, Elad wrote:
some usual crap peaple always figure is true for some i dont know reasons
-send fx and insert are the same , only send can be used for multiple channels.
-+ there is some plugins with wetdry and can be used for that "send" emulation.
+send fx plays the dry signal + the wet signal together , it makes totaly diffrent effect , to try it out - have a pritty long snare hit , have delay and after it phaser. in insert the original snare getting phased too but in send only the delay will be phased
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not if you put 100% wet on the insert Fx of the send channel.
in this case you just add the effect ou desire. the advantage in Fx channel is the option to eq, level and pan the Fx seperatly |
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pilgrim
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 17:57
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Let me just make one remark, the virus emulation for the TC cards would probably be a 99.99% replica since it PROBABLY uses the same algorithms as the virus hardware synth.
Though it's not that difficult to emulate something thats already digital than to emulate something which is analog....maybe not the best example to prove your point 
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 18:08
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 18:31
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BUt see the fact is 90% of psytrance studio DO use virus or nord
when it comes to moog and real analog as i said the point is valid but again for averege beginer much better to get first good cpu and vst before buy 3000$ synth
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 18:51
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On 2007-11-11 17:57, pilgrim wrote:
Though it's not that difficult to emulate something thats already digital than to emulate something which is analog....maybe not the best example to prove your point
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Well to emulate something digital you need the source code, my point was that the virus for TC is developed by access, same company that does the hardware virus so its probably the same code, same code = same sound.
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pilgrim
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 19:12
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On 2007-11-11 18:51, vegetal wrote:
Well to emulate something digital you need the source code,
When you have the source code you don't need to emulate, cause everything is here already, just put away the hardware take the software put it in dsp, and then shure it will sound the same, cause it's the same,,....
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 20:46
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ther is still diffrence in the convertor i guess as well from physical virus to dsp card
but thats the point , the diffrence is so small that is realy not relevant anymore , in 2007 the endless cpu vs plugins battle is first time won by cpu , even if u insist work with NI only u can still make it with AMD dual core 5200 or something like this 
realy looking for some more "myths" to be broken here ...
*does anyone else agree that hipass all your sounds in 350hz as suggested here from time to time is wayyyy to harsh mix and loose much power in the leads section ?? i tend to go each sound by itself and sometimese even 24db but on 150hz do all the work perfect..
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Spindrift
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 21:19
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On 2007-11-11 20:46, Elad wrote:
ther is still diffrence in the convertor i guess as well from physical virus to dsp card
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The difference would be that one signal touches a converter and the other one doesn't.
Usually when you use VST's or DSP systems the signal never goes true any converter.
For some signals that can be superior, while for others the conversion can actually serve to make the signal more interesting.
But from a purely technical perspective no converter is better than even the best converter on the market.
And if you do prefer the sound of passing the signal through a converter you can choose to do that on specific sounds and choose between a very wide range of converters.
So without a doubt I would say that hardware is technically inferior unless it provides a digital interface.
Sure some hardware manufacturers have good coders and that is the most important factor.
Also with DSP chips like on Scope, powercore or in most hardware synths you don't have to be as restrictive with processing power.
Still, VA hardware is really overrated IMO. If I had $10 000 to spend on my studio now I would without a doubt put it into more Scope cards with more plugs, an UAD card, monitors, faster computer and more software.
If I had $15 000 maybe I would squeeze in a proper analogue. Viruses and Nords I would not even consider.
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AcidForAll
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 22:11
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yeah true, it is virtual analog
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 23:37
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On 2007-11-11 00:47, vegetal wrote:
What i do like today its that more and more developers are emulating vintage stuff which i like, its a step in right direction. |
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I find it utterly stupid. Using new technology to mimic the old technology... what a waste of time and effort. Of course, with thousands producer snobs cheap software emulations of expensive hardware gear is more than easy to sell. Besides money, this direction is IMO the worst one to take.
Make new stuff... from Moog and 303 to Virus and Nord... they are all great but I'm sick from overuse of them. Last thing we need is more copies of those devices.
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Speakafreaka
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Posted : Nov 12, 2007 01:23
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On 2007-11-11 18:51, vegetal wrote:
Well to emulate something digital you need the source code, my point was that the virus for TC is developed by access, same company that does the hardware virus so its probably the same code, same code = same sound.
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Hmmm. Not so sure I agree with that. I've had a go at emulating a very well respected(admitedly simpler) vst effect unit. And was shocked at how close I got, simply by 'following the knobs' and what they had to be doing.
Of course, emulating something like a Virus is a whole different kettle of fish. But it still depends how much has actually gone into the thing in the first place. There is often less then one might think!
Basically, the results are what counts, not the method by which you derive those results, I reckon.
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*does anyone else agree that hipass all your sounds in 350hz as suggested here from time to time is wayyyy to harsh mix and loose much power in the leads section ?? i tend to go each sound by itself and sometimese even 24db but on 150hz do all the work perfect..
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+1 not so much with the freqs but with the concept.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 12, 2007 03:43
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about the freqs i think its very individual , i hipass sometimes also in 400hz if need but the idea is that there are no realy rules , just common opinions that repeated too much by mistake or as "easy way out" of eq questions with no samples added (more guidelines please dear team...)
no need to emulate virus as many said u just get the powercore and u have real one , matched to virus B if i remember correct , no TI emulators yet hehe
*on that note , since TI is working station , maybe is a good machine to have in the studio not to mention great live overseas , includ patterns and presets and fx , not quite the averege synth. still digital true but if only final result counts then this one is monster for sure
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aodioiboa
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Posted : Nov 12, 2007 08:06
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realy looking for some more "myths" to be broken here ...
*does anyone else agree that hipass all your sounds in 350hz as suggested here from time to time is wayyyy to harsh mix and loose much power in the leads section ?? i tend to go each sound by itself and sometimese even 24db but on 150hz do all the work perfect..
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+1 on that
hipassing all sounds at 350 hz is bullcrap...
some sounds will loose their power and so a lot of their life.....
now some may come: ahh my kick...ahh my bass... but in reality not every sound
in a lower frequencyrange is a bad sound...
some give a very cool effect....
but then i cut everyting at least at 130-140 hz, so this is MY lowest sound frequency...
hehe...
and...
FL is killah... i think, you get no complaints, because even the worst ilovemyfuckingexpensivestudio-maniacs slowly realize, that the price of a product is not everything, and more and more of their friends are using FL with excellent results...
btw....
it may sound a bit strange, but here we go...
---the story of choosing my DAW---
b4 i started to make music, i was, and still am, long time involved in doing visual stuff for our scene like deco, flyers a.s.o...
nowadays i know a lot of musicians and MOST of them have chosen their DAW because it was suggested by a friend (because there is no better and everybody uses it) or they read a few forums, which where dominated by these
ilovemyfuckingexpensivestudio-maniacs i mentioned above.....
and now, what are they using...?
cubase, logic....maybe sonar, maybe protools...
i had the luck to choose absolutely by myself, cause there was no musician i knew in my surrounding.....
at this time (a few years ago) i tested every DAW i could find.....and i have chosen FL because it was the most intuitive and most important for me at that time, it was the visually best for my eyes.....and although
FL at this time still was a bit crappy, it developed over the years to a fully featured workstation, to the prog i love... 
long story, short conclusion...
what i want to say...
when i wanna create something beautiful,
i cannot look for hours at horrible ugly GUIs of programs like cubase or protools....
its pure windows-style crap....
i do not wanna feel like in an neontubed-office, when making music.....
the GUI of logic is ok, but it lacks in intuitivity....and unfortunately i hate MACs, because Apple treats us, their potential customers, like big wallets with no brain...
with respect to other musicians...
these are MY OPINIONS....
and now you come.... 
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