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Elad
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some usual crap peaple always figure is true for some i dont know reasons
-send fx and insert are the same , only send can be used for multiple channels.
-+ there is some plugins with wetdry and can be used for that "send" emulation.
+send fx plays the dry signal + the wet signal together , it makes totaly diffrent effect , to try it out - have a pritty long snare hit , have delay and after it phaser. in insert the original snare getting phased too but in send only the delay will be phased
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-fruity loops sound engine is crap
+- its easier to get crapy sounds faster in fruity agreed
+ once u know what u do , its just normal DAW
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- analog gear is the shit!
+- its much more comfort to have many synths , but powerfull cpu and SMART choise of the best vst and sample cd's aint bad at all , just to mention ,all new models of synths are VST IN A BOX. evry synth "digital" "analog-digital" "analog emulator" are realy just hi end vst in a box with simple soundcard and midi controlers , u dont believe me open it and search for circuits hehe
+ u can get with vst to the most proffessional levels exist , maybe UAD or PowerCore wont be bad idea
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- (noise) gate eliminate background sounds
+- half true , it will remove the noise when there is no other sound (like talk sample) but once the speech is in evrything is there , includ the noise
+ x-noise with the learn option can remove background noises very easy
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- compressor give more power to sounds
+- when used perfectly right and KNOW 100% what evry knob do , it can be very true , but on the wrong hands it can ruin the best creation
+ give more freedom to dynamic range , compress only if there is too much peaks and if u know how to get exacly what u want.. and let mastering take care of limiting , god please dont use L2 on evry channel it can realy take all life out of a track , its very easy to over do it but cant turn back (hmm i did it actualy with expender and lowering the volume but thats another story)
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-loudness war is shit
+- over compressed sound can suck and can be mega blaster
+ in fact , loudness still easly mistaken for quality in 90% of the peaple mind , rms averege levels on cd used to be -15 -14 , later -12 -10 today -9 -8 ... but this is sure the final limit and also must have very full sound to get to this levels without damage
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hope u learn something
corect if u feel diffrent
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 09:46
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On 2007-11-10 06:21, Elad wrote:
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- analog gear is the shit!
+- its much more comfort to have many synths , but powerfull cpu and SMART choise of the best vst and sample cd's aint bad at all , just to mention ,all new models of synths are VST IN A BOX. evry synth "digital" "analog-digital" "analog emulator" are realy just hi end vst in a box with simple soundcard and midi controlers , u dont believe me open it and search for circuits hehe
+ u can get with vst to the most proffessional levels exist , maybe UAD or PowerCore wont be bad idea
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- compressor give more power to sounds
+- when used perfectly right and KNOW 100% what evry knob do , it can be very true , but on the wrong hands it can ruin the best creation
+ give more freedom to dynamic range , compress only if there is too much peaks and if u know how to get exacly what u want.. and let mastering take care of limiting , god please dont use L2 on evry channel it can realy take all life out of a track , its very easy to over do it but cant turn back (hmm i did it actualy with expender and lowering the volume but thats another story)
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U couldnt have said it better!
sumtimes i find u can get better workflow out of a vst, no need to repeatedly bounce at realtime (what a drag lol)
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 12:59
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On 2007-11-10 06:21, Elad wrote:
Analog gear is the shit!
+- its much more comfort to have many synths , but powerfull cpu and SMART choise of the best vst and sample cd's aint bad at all , just to mention ,all new models of synths are VST IN A BOX. evry synth "digital" "analog-digital" "analog emulator" are realy just hi end vst in a box with simple soundcard and midi controlers , u dont believe me open it and search for circuits hehe
+ u can get with vst to the most proffessional levels exist , maybe UAD or PowerCore wont be bad idea
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Well im not a vst programmer BUT im pretty sure that alot of vsts that says that they "emulate" a hardware synth, isn´t close to the real deal, why? If that was the case then you´d have to emulate alot of components to make the real deal that would lead to more calculations which would require more of the CPU. Take the Arturia minimoog, it was a long time ago i used it but i remember that it was one nasty thing towards my CPU.
I mean you can either do a impulse response on it and just use basic fourier transform, or you can start writing code on how the actual circuit behaves under diffrent circumstances. Which one is the easiest do you think?
Im not complaining about software, but they still have a alot of catching up to do.
Just gimme an example: If i could choose between the Waves SSL-400 emulation and a actuall SSL mixing console, well i guess we all know the answer to that lol.
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vegetal
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 14:10
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you correct about cpu thing vegetal
this why i said smart choise of vst+killer cpu to support , todays minimum is dual core 3.0 or amd 3800 , beter to use maybe amd 4400 (or more) dual.. sure less then that will not hold finished track, for good example - reaktor , more example - moog emulators
and what makes u think that "digital-analog" is not a simple vst ? i asure u there is no circuits inside 
i have opened my nord rack and there is nothing inside , small soundcard and linked to the midi controlers , actualy it does sound better then the discovery emulator true , but try to get to an absynth pad patch with nord hehe impossible not even close most of the time
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faxinadu
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 14:56
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On 2007-11-10 14:10, Elad wrote:
and what makes u think that "digital-analog" is not a simple vst ?
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Can you please clarify that one for me
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And what is the soundcard made of, sausage? ;P
You probably are thinking of analog circuits?
Well you have a DA-converter inside it, i say thats a pretty vital thing that requires good components to sound as it does right?
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actualy it does sound better then the discovery emulator true , but try to get to an absynth pad patch with nord hehe impossible not even close most of the time
sure must be diffrence from vst that cost 100$ to one cost 2500$
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The difference is quite obvious, the nordrack is based on subtractive synthesis
and (taken from wikki) "Absynth features three main synthesis "modules", which can be customized to fit a particular synthesis type, such as Subtractive, Frequency Modulation, Amplitude Modulation, or Granular, as well as direct sampling of raw audio data"
Not suprised that you have a hard time to make the nordrack to sound like the absynth
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 15:16
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nice post elad , i agree on most thing but not on that one :
+ u can get with vst to the most proffessional levels exist
it s too subjective , it ll depends a lot on the taste of producers and good production for me or maybe for you ,ll sound shit for someone with 30 years of music production behind him who ear 10x more details ,but it ll be killer production for someone just starting producing.
in psytrance your statement can be true cause lot of good produced tracks are done with software,cause producers don t need to use anything else to reach the top production in that style of music .so a lot dont even use their hardware anymore even if it still sound better . |
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Fragletrollet
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 20:40
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^^what for to get more floor noise ? when record from vst ?? this would be half funny... if u like tape for its unique oldschool its cool but its not better quality if u use digital signal to begin with
vegetal - point is the nord is as safisticated as vst , offcourse soundcard has circuits on it but its not analog voltage that u hear in the end result its just emulation , like any vst.
sure they have good DA convertors , but for price of 1 nord i can buy RME  for the virus TI price i can get monster computer , and both i reckon come first in the chain of what to buy for making music... sure its personal but thats my point of view , after had the nord as first thing in the studio ... today is used mostly for midi control hehe
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 10, 2007 21:14
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digital hardware or software i think it s the same , just there is some better coders than others. |
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 00:30
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in psytrance your statement can be true cause lot of good produced tracks are done with software,cause producers don t need to use anything else to reach the top production in that style of music .so a lot dont even use their hardware anymore even if it still sound better .
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i think, not in psytrance only, in any genre of electronic music =)
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 00:37
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and what makes u think that "digital-analog" is not a simple vst ?
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actualy it does sound better then the discovery emulator true , but try to get to an absynth pad patch with nord hehe impossible not even close most of the time
sure must be diffrence from vst that cost 100$ to one cost 2500$
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The difference is quite obvious, the nordrack is based on subtractive synthesis
and (taken from wikki) "Absynth features three main synthesis "modules", which can be customized to fit a particular synthesis type, such as Subtractive, Frequency Modulation, Amplitude Modulation, or Granular, as well as direct sampling of raw audio data"
Not suprised that you have a hard time to make the nordrack to sound like the absynth
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i believe the MAIN real reason that most hardware synths/fx -undoubtly- most more than software synth/fx because of general cost of production....
i mean you need plastic, copper, maybe glass (lots of other material), a working factory to be made, people to work, postal costs (and/or distribution) et.c.
BUT as soon as you're done with your VST/VSTi programming, then you just have to -litterally- copy paste, or burn on cds/dvds to sell.. simple.
my €0,02
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vegetal
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 00:47
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On 2007-11-10 20:40, Elad wrote:
vegetal - point is the nord is as safisticated as vst , offcourse soundcard has circuits on it but its not analog voltage that u hear in the end result its just emulation , like any vst.
sure they have good DA convertors , but for price of 1 nord i can buy RME for the virus TI price i can get monster computer , and both i reckon come first in the chain of what to buy for making music.
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Let me just get this one cleared before i reply here, are we just talking about the synthesis on the nord or the whole piece with I/Os, midisupport and so on.
Cause if we just talk about the synthesis then yes could be just as simple as any vst ( even thou it might not be written in C)
But on the other hand you got more dedicated power on the nord compared to a vst.
No need to worry about more threads that the DSP in the nord needs to handle. When it comes to vsts you need to have in mind that the cpu has more things to handle than your application so you probably end up with cutting down on features cause it takes to many cycles to perform.
What i do like today its that more and more developers are emulating vintage stuff which i like, its a step in right direction.
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Elad
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Posted : Nov 11, 2007 04:46
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generaly , i was saying about the final result , so it meens the synthesis capabilites... this are pure digital and the fact its hardware not make it analog anywayz.. if we talk on moog then it got "some" point to it , but also not must in order to get best result.
about the Io and all the other stuff on hardware synths i think it sure cost more then 1 complete computer to handle only 1 vst... atleast give me 2-3 sound engines why just 1 for this price hehe..i think piko blanko got it right , they need to pay employs and shiping and rent for factory etc.
today with + - 1000$ u get pritty good computer+nice soundcard , u have to agree its more usefull then 1 digital synth? again , to the poor begginer speicaly , if u rich mtv producer sure u can have whatever u like anywayz
hehe , i thought the main opose to the post will be abut FL lol
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