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some ideas to spice up leads
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sideFXed
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 21:10:30
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hey there, just wanted to contribute some ideas concerning that wall of sound type of stuff I'm so fascinated in electronic music all these years.
I'm sure you guys got some good replies that will help me and others to widen our knowledge.
long intro, to the point... what I like to do nowadays for big reverb is a sidechain compressor that cancels out the reverb while the actual note plays. as soon the sound blends out, the reverb kicks in.
arrangement:
synth > send track with reverb 100% wet, send track compressed to add gain.
sidechain:
synth triggers sidechain - short notes work best, but be sure to try long notes too
sidechain compressing on "send reverb", pretty low threshold, longish attack.
to counter a very loud reverby tail at the end of a sequence, I use a gate that allows midi triggering. just use the gate to let the sound of the reverb go through for the duration of the note. draw the note (midi trigger) for the whole sequence and stop it with some release on the gate-adsr.
For straight 4/4 stuff, a sidechain comp on top of the described reverb sounds nice too. Lots of different effects come in handy, like flangers with synced timings. the list is huge.
Now, anyone else got some "secrets" that are fairly comparable?
In no way I want to call this new or self-invented. Got this stone rolling from youtube myself, I just tried to improve it for my way of working. Phew looong post, I hope you don't mind.
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Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 21:24
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sideFXed
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 21:28
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yeah, the signal is compressing the reverb. so the reverb is canceled out while the note plays. as soon as it stops, the reverb kicks in.
try staccato sounds, gives a pretty neat in your face reverb.
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ohshit
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 22:40
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Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 23:17
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i'm gonna try it too. I never have used sidechaining for much besides the kick and bass.
I don't feel like I have as good tips for this, but maybe it would be helpful to some.
Doubling leads with the same synth sound (2 instances of sylenth for example both playing the same notes and using the same patch), especially acid leads can yield some very cool sounding phasing.
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orgytime
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 23:24
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On 2009-08-17 21:28, sideFXed wrote:
yeah, the signal is compressing the reverb. so the reverb is canceled out while the note plays. as soon as it stops, the reverb kicks in.
try staccato sounds, gives a pretty neat in your face reverb.
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hehe i did the same at our actual track^^
its very nice to add effects to the effects...
you also can distort,phaser,trancegate or pitch delay of sounds.
but ive got to find a easier way to do this.
atm i take the audio track of the delay and sidechain this.
but i cant send fx to fx chanel in cubase sx3.
im also discovering right now the layering of leads.
example
-lead [multisaw + phaser]
-layer same lead distorted saw with trancegate (vanguard)
its amazing how "full" the lead suddenly sounds, with more than 1 synth.
i would call it a little secret, for othes this is standard^^
also nice is, to play a lead with 2 different synths and 2 different arp. (up/alter in vanguard for example).
they are switching the ocataves to different notes at the same time, and it sounds amzing.
cheers
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Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 23:25
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Becktrank
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Posted : Aug 17, 2009 23:55
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i think this is what i was looking for, i mean the psy melody lines that i never can say what are the notes playing hehe, thank you
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Uedi
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 00:10
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I had this idea right now...
1. Two lead lines, the same notes played with different instruments or different patches.
2. Add a long tail reverb on one of them, 100% wet
as an insert. Or any kind of effect you want.
3. Bounce to audio only the post-fx sound.
4. Double this channel, pan one to the left and the other right, hard or not.
5. Sidechain left with snare. Sidechain the right with open hats.
This creates assimetric compression effects on left and right channels, and a more sparse wavie effect.
T=-40dbs
ratio = higher the better
A= 2-8ms
R=35-45ms
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Seamoon
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 00:41
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Create a rythm or a melody in the midi editor.
Create 4 or more synth-instances with different lead sounds.
Now spread the melody over the synths and let each note play by a different synth.
Finally bounce it to save cpu http://soundcloud.com/seamoon |
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Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 00:53
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I'm going to try doing both of these tonight. This thread has me thinking in many new directions in regards to sidechaining.
100% wet reverb on kick drum, sidechain the reverb to the lead and play a note on every beat where the kick should be.
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orgytime
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 01:38
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100% wet reverb on kick drum, sidechain the reverb to the lead and play a note on every beat where the kick should be.
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you want the sidechain effect without the kick? i dont understand what you want to do.
here i got a example for something like that:
listen @ 00:46 , when kick comes in.
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Uedi
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 02:10
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yes. don't use reverb on the kick, keep it clean.
insert a compressor on the lead channel, activate sidechain, chose kick as the triggering signal.
so the compressor ducks down the lead, everytime a kick drum hits.
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Obelizk
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 02:42
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supergroover
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Posted : Aug 18, 2009 19:37
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if you do put some reverb on the kick in a break for example it is best to eq some some of the low out. |
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