Disciple
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Posted : Apr 6, 2009 17:04:42
Ok im an absolute beginner and need some advice on what scale and key to make goa trance in. I have no musical background and dont know any music theory, but my ears are good:) Ideally i'd like to know the scale that the Pleiadians use in their album IFO. This is a very "eastern" sounding scale. It seems similar to the scale Agneton and filteria use.
Am I right that in Cubase 4 the best way to change the scale is on midi insert to choose track FX as insert and then select it from there?
On 2009-04-06 21:02, Disciple wrote:
thanks for the link it makes for good reading, Say I decided to try a Byzantine scale, how would I set it up in cubase 4?
I would say that don't experiment with such exotic scales. Learn major and minor first.
Lets say C minor.
The minor 'rule' is: t-s-t-t-s-t-t, where (t) means a tone, (s) means a semitone in distance and red means distortion but that's another story
So your root note is C. Then the 7 notes defined by your 'rule' are: C D D# F G G# A# C' where (') means an octave higher.
Now create a melody with these notes in the midi editor.
Making what you want with what you have
On 2009-04-06 21:02, Disciple wrote:
thanks for the link it makes for good reading, Say I decided to try a Byzantine scale, how would I set it up in cubase 4?
I would say that don't experiment with such exotic scales. Learn major and minor first.
Lets say C minor.
uff u boring lolololol
so he will learn other scale to begin with and instead semitone here it will be there.
i think its great to get used to more exotic scales specialy when allready know thats the feel u after
Cubase has a nice micro tuner plugin which you can set on the instrument channel inserts. (You will have to set one on each instrument you want scaled in a different way)
There should be presets for different scales inside the micro tuner plugin.
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 04:13
well i just know the n scales naturals but some body coudl tell me where i can find the other ones---- or some tutorial about it!!thanks
Disciple
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 12:10
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On 2009-04-07 01:05, Gaiana wrote:
Cubase has a nice micro tuner plugin which you can set on the instrument channel inserts. (You will have to set one on each instrument you want scaled in a different way)
There should be presets for different scales inside the micro tuner plugin.
(I know they do on Cubase5, so prolly there will be in 4 as well.)
Ive been trying to get the micro tuner to work with vst synths but it dosen't seem to effect their sound at all, is it just as simple as adding the insert and selecting the scale, or am i missing something? Also how to import scales in cubase (either in track FX or some other way)? Im having difficulty finding any web documentation to say how this is done.
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Posted : Apr 7, 2009 12:27
On 2009-04-07 12:10, Disciple wrote:
Ive been trying to get the micro tuner to work with vst synths but it dosen't seem to effect their sound at all, is it just as simple as adding the insert and selecting the scale, or am i missing something? Also how to import scales in cubase (either in track FX or some other way)? Im having difficulty finding any web documentation to say how this is done.
Micro Tuner doesn't always work with all 3rd party plugins (specially older ones), test it out on one of the steinberg vst synths, just to see if this scaling correction is what you're looking for.
(Be sure to use the insert on the midi channel instead of on the audio side, since its a midi plugin)
You could also try the transpose options, just play a melody and record it on a midi channel, afterwards you can transpose the midi notes into different scalings.
Its not exactly the same as having a micro-tuner adjust the pitch of each of your notes into a different scale, but it will change the notes to suit the chosen scale.
But this would be the same as the scaling options on the trackFX. (which also works on the midi side of things)
Not sure how to import or make custom scalings into either micro tuner or the midi transpose section, since i work on Logic mainly, but the exotic scalings you want should already be one of the presets included.www.myspace.com/gaiana_25
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 11:40
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On 2009-04-06 23:58, master bud wrote:
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On 2009-04-06 21:02, Disciple wrote:
thanks for the link it makes for good reading, Say I decided to try a Byzantine scale, how would I set it up in cubase 4?
I would say that don't experiment with such exotic scales. Learn major and minor first.
Lets say C minor.
The minor 'rule' is: t-s-t-t-s-t-t, where (t) means a tone, (s) means a semitone in distance and red means distortion but that's another story
So your root note is C. Then the 7 notes defined by your 'rule' are: C D D# F G G# A# C' where (') means an octave higher.
Now create a melody with these notes in the midi editor.
Ok so u use these notes as a palette to create a melody...?
Is it always like this that u i.e has C as the root..the nu choose a C - scale and pick notes for your melody...or can you shift between different scales to create complex melodies?
Peace!
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Posted : Apr 9, 2009 21:22
Ok so u use these notes as a palette to create a melody...?
Yes, of course. But u can use any other notes as well which are 'out' of that particular scale. If u check some pro tracks like Depeche Mode etc. u will often find at least one note extra which is out of scale but sounds really good in the context.
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Is it always like this that u i.e has C as the root..the nu choose a C - scale and pick notes for your melody...or can you shift between different scales to create complex melodies?
Peace!
Yes, u can change the scale (more precisely the key) in the middle of ur track. That is called modulation. It's definitely not that easy and has a certain impact on the audience or can be cheesy.
