fractal fields
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 11:38:25
hey all
when making a kick (or baseline but in lesser extend) and it has a ring to it...this is due to resonating frequencies..?
How can this be avoided while making a kick? and when it happens how to fix it?
I find cutting them not so easy as they seem to span a multiple/broader band/frequencies... i cannot 'see' them on a spectrum, what 'm doing wrong...?
please help wrap my head around that ring..
many thx
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 12:11
one technique you can use is to use a very high Q on your EQ point and sweep it through until you accentuate the ringing that you hear and don't like then cut at that ringing spot
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 13:04
Sounds like you build your kick with a synth right?
If so, maybe you have a too high sustain(i usually turn it off at kicks).
Is it ringing the whole time or at specific positions(like start or end) ?
Cheers,
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 13:16
thx, scanning with high q helps in bringing out those freqs...
I wonder what it is that causes this, are there certain things that i can pay attention to in sculping a kick so that i dont encounter those resonance problems?
Kryten:The ringing occurs in the mid(more) and tail section of the kick, not so often in the start sweep in my experience. Maybe because in that section you often have a few cycles of the same freq..?
some styles of kicks require those cycles... what to do ?
greetz.
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 14:23
sidechain, manual envelopes, EQing...
are many methods do solve that, its a common question, search the forum...
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 17:33
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On 2010-06-25 13:16, fractal fields wrote:
I wonder what it is that causes this, are there certain things that i can pay attention to in sculping a kick so that i dont encounter those resonance problems?
what i do know is,
sometimes a room can make that resonance all by itself. i learned the hard way. more like EQing my room than the sound.
and sometimes, there really is a ringing harmonic in there.
what i do is,, IF that annoying frequency also stands out in the headphones then i know its not the room.
difficult to tell with low frequencies in my untreated room.
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Posted : Jun 25, 2010 19:21
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On 2010-06-25 17:33, *eLliSDee* wrote:
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On 2010-06-25 13:16, fractal fields wrote:
I wonder what it is that causes this, are there certain things that i can pay attention to in sculping a kick so that i dont encounter those resonance problems?
what i do know is,
sometimes a room can make that resonance all by itself. i learned the hard way. more like EQing my room than the sound.
and sometimes, there really is a ringing harmonic in there.
what i do is,, IF that annoying frequency also stands out in the headphones then i know its not the room.
difficult to tell with low frequencies in my untreated room.
^^^that is very important, always try different sets of rooms/speakers/listen on headphones (bare in mind headphones are not flat either, but at least you don't get your room's characteristics, messing up the spectrum).
Very narrow and deep notches will get rid of the problematic ringing, but it might induce new ringing around the notch frequency, sometimes you have to get into surgical EQing that will help, but also sometimes a bit broader range and less dip will work best. I do both.
And try different EQ plug ins. Logic's linear Phase EQ introduces a lot more ringing that the good ol' Channel EQ.
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fractal fields
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Posted : Jul 19, 2010 01:12
thanks for the replies guys,
i still have this problem with my kicks...
The strange thing is i dont here the ringing in my DAW (ableton!)!? once exported to soundforge (wav) or as an mp3 on soundcloud the ringing becomes apparent.
I've tried to make precise cuts (-4 db - high Q)where the harmonics of the kick are (kick= G note => harmonics 49.5-99-198-396-792 up to 1584)... giving me a comb filter like eq.
It seems like it is not helping much.. i still dont 'have it' as of why this keeps occuring in my kicks...and how to -not encounter- or solve this properly...
I've used bazzism and working on headphones now to eliminate bad room acc.
Here's the file ( very basic... but a suitable example)
Can someone help me out on this...many thanks
cheers.
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Posted : Jul 19, 2010 09:17
willsanquil
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Posted : Jul 19, 2010 09:54
its definitely still there, some weird ringing :\ wish I could give advice ...but maybe you're EQing too radically and its inducing the ringing
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Posted : Jul 19, 2010 11:00
why won't u upload a small sample where it happens
fractal fields
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Posted : Jul 19, 2010 12:21
hey
willsanquill the kick have this ringing without eq also thats why i cutted those harmonics.
the kick sweeps from 3168Hz to 49.5Hz so i cutted them and those inbetween in an attempt to eliminate.
Its kinda hard for me to pinpoint this problem presented... as i dont fully grasp this.
although i've noticed where the filter sweeps a highpass (removing the lows) the ringing stops at a certain time (freq)so it must be generated in the lower (mid-tail) registers of the kick. ( sec 51- 58 in example)
What messes me more is that i dont hear this while producing in ableton...!?
i'm gonna try and import the exported file to ableton and see if its still there or not ... let you know...
