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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 14:32
anyone used the jomox mbase? i wonder if it can produce good psy kick, i have some sample but it sound more like 909/808 and everyhting between
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Yes, the sweep time, if you bounce a 100hz filtered version you'll see how bad it can be
I am not going to do that because it sounds fine to me as it is and if I see what it is you are talking about, I might start not liking what I hear
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Haha! Very wise; pandora's box and all that!
Also, bear in mind I think the ideal kick is the early Neurocide/Evilution Lab 4 NRG kick ... And I'm serious. Their kicks made everything else sound silly at the time and in some ways still do IMO.
My favourite kicks are the X-Dream and late '90s Deedrah/Synthetic ones. All of which have the effect you don't like...Lab4?! hehehe horses for courses and all that
P.S. I was a sound techy in the early '00s when Lab 4 played The Junction in Cambridge, so I have seen them play live. Their rig on stage was massive!
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 14:51
check tron stuff i wonder what you think about it guys, to me some of his tunes have some of the best kick bass combo of the whole full on scene
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 14:53
+1 on Tron, as far as the plasticky, yet good sounding bottom end goes.
Although, Dick Trevor is the king of plastick, yet brilliant sounding bottom end, imo.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 14:53
I'm absolutely certain that x-dream layered their kicks.
A side project of their's produced one of the all time great kick drums, children of paradise's 'el niño'. Which is very definitely layered. At least great in my opinion!
Say what you like about lab 4's music, technically they are superb, neurocide was years ahead of its time and sounded better produced than most released stuff well into the in the box age. If you've heard their stuff on a big pa which I have, many times you'll know the kick drums blow pretty much anything away, period.
Edit: by 2000 I was fully into psy, but in
98 I was going to a lot of nights at escape from samsara at the fridge in London - lab 4 played a lot and quite a lot of psy got played as well, in an astral projection kind of a way.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 15:00
They are big kick drums, but they have that hard NRG type of sound. Don't get me wrong, I think it fits their style perfectly, but I just don't like that kind of music for more than 5 minutes.
The X-Dream kicks I am on about are the typical sh-101 kicks.
I have made them my self on my sh-101, yet I have not yet found a tune to put them in as they work best on more spacious arrangements and at this time I always end up making busy arrangements and find the kicks I make in UB to fit the mix and vibe of the track better...the other problem I encounter is not being able to tune the filter on the SH-101 as good as I would like and I keep thinking I am listening to beat frequencies...although the difference between the bassline and the kick root frequencies is too small to justify me listening to what I think I am listening to...in any case I have yet to use the sh-101 for kick in a track that we have released, or signed recently.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 15:04
could be pro one kicks too, no experience with it but it s suposed to be really good for it..but tbh it could be possible they used layered kicks, it s comon technic that is not new even in my old goa tunes i was layering kicks.
how i was doing it i find it less suited for busy arrangement ,the usual sine pitched even if it gets a bit boring and not suprising still work good for it imo as it s clean and drive well,dont take much space in the mix...i like more layer for minimal sounds ,technoish or prog
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 15:11
Ah you mean stuff like the second room?
Yeah, tbf not a fan of the bass on that kick, but the attack is about perfect.
I far prefer their busier sketchy stuff sound wise.
As for NRG kicks - seems obvious to me that style of kick would work very well indeed in forest and dark psy. And if it was done slightly less bangingly very good for more traditional genres.
Full on is full on and innovation is not generally well received so I conceed it would struggle to fit in their - but that is about the opposite of what interests me.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 15:21
what is common technic in some more commercial music/production is too separate the attack and body synthesis and processing.insteed of making one kick one producer can make like 10 attacks and 10 body and then make different kicks mixing them ,havent experimented much with it but it sure it can work good.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 16:02
Nice thread guys...
Someone was selling my a jommox kick module some weeks ago but I just thought it was too much $600 for a kick synth, also kicks sounded hard and tight but not psyish.
BTW. In my experience bazzism stays steady the whole time, I keep it alive most of the writing process without any nuances.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 16:18
gonna sample the jomox kick module soon will report if it s good , from the sample i have,it sound phater with more depth than any plugin. i think it will shine for techno and prog kicks, and maybe some full on one but not sure, havent heard any sample that get close.
it produce kicks close to 909/808 type so it need processing for today sound .
the dark energy on the other hand produce good psy kick, more organic and more dimension than what i m used in the box.. but it s not night and day i find zebra and ultrabeat good too
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 16:39
I know you're not keen on layering but one of the nice things about being in the box and layering is you can incorporate the best bits of lots of different synths.
For example Alchemy's mseg envelopes make it easy to get a great controlled mid and down section of the kick with very precisely controlled frequency curve, whereas Massive say has just great sounding uppers - very very clean.
You might for example find the jomox has a very 'solid' woody sound and really like it, but not get on with the attack, and if you are careful about the amp envelope could 'swap' it for something you like with minimal phasing and end up with something you love.
Combining the two gives you the best of both worlds - I'm absolutely loving some of the kicks I'm coming up with through mix and match.
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 16:50
have you experimented with editing in a sample editor,taking diffferent part of few kicks to make one but with no waveform that overlap,copying/deleting waveform cycles .i was thinking to try this, for using the attack and body of 2 different kicks
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 16:59
I haven't no, because I'm completely happy to use kick drums that overlap and have a very complex waveform.
I think what you are suggesting is absolutely possible, but pretty hard.
You'd need to match amplitude and a point where the two samples are at the same pitch - then you could cut between them completely transparently - not easy, but not impossible either!
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Posted : Dec 23, 2011 17:28
yeah i gave it a short try and it s way too much hassle to get both at the same tune...though it was not soundind bad when it s not the case.
i checked the jomox samples and the kicks i have are more than 200 ms it s why it sound that phat!
