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Sidechaining in Logic Audio 5.5 What a Pain in the ass..
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D-Alien
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 00:10
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Hellou ppl,
maybe it will be annoing to ask one more time for some help in the black world of the sidechaining...
i¡ve use it a lot, i know its meaning BUT!
have anyone managed to use sidechaining with other plugins other than the proper logic audio ones?
For example. I wanted to try the Kjaerhus audio GAC-1 compressor and use its sidechain abilities. but as always happend i cannot figure how to define which channel is the sidechain trigger... Using the native Logic Audio plugins for sidechain is a childish game, But I simply dont like the logic audio compressor... but its the only one that one can define from where the signal comes...!!!
So I tryed to rebuild the tutorial from Colin but its about Cubase and in Logic there are some things i cannot make directly.. like a "stereo group", so I've rebuild it using a lot of bus and aux, panning left right etc etc but at last it seems i dont do nothing.. 
So.. If out there somebody knows about some "trik" how to sidechain in Logic Audio 5.5 using diferent plug-in than the Logic's.. will apreciate it MUCH!
Peace ppl
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 14:18
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TC sidechainer and compressor is the most unfrustrating sidechaining you'll ever have to do. Sidechainer on kick and compressor on bass, tweak and relax. Simple.
There's also a free plugin called sidekick v3 which has a similar use. If you search for it on here there's a thread that tells you where to find it and how to set it up. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 15:32
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sidechain in cubase is a pain cause the steinberg did not think of making a direct link accessible from the plug for sidechain.
but on logic it can't be easier, so following the sx tut won't help you but just confuse you.
i did not use logic in a long time at least for sidechaining but if my memorise are good all you need to do is on the plug the actual top logic window you should be able to choose the source for the sidechain and i think you can source it form every audio track
, probably a buss too.
as for other vst its the same way as long as there are compatible. try compadre.
here s a link to a free side chain comp and gate that do the job nicely.
http://www.geocities.jp/webmaster_of_sss/vst/index.html#sidech
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 15:35
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faxinadu
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 16:36
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D-Alien
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 00:43
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yeah bro!!
the logic compresos are nice but not the best! they are good for general purpose but if u play with them a lot years and if u compare them with the Sonalksis, Kjaerhus or with the great URS compressors.. boy.. give me smile...
the logic compressors have very specific sound, they make it sharper but flater, its like they kill the warmth... On the other hand they work fine fro sidechaing but yet, the atack is not instant, nor the relaese, so the sidechain is not very acurate... and i want to make sidechain using the Kjaerhus compresor f.e. even the wavesC1-sc sounds better 
my opinion bro.. if u have the solution shoot it out.. if not... better dont say nothing
Ok ppl, my question is not How To Make Sidechain ehehe this is childish..
my question is, HOW TO DEFINE THE SOURCE AND THE DUCKED SIGNAL into the compressor, having in mind that logic tracks doesent have diferent inputs... I've tryed the trick: sending kik to the left, bass to the right and both to a bus where is the waves C1 (f.e.) there I define that the L is ducking the R, kik is ducking the bass, than the signal goes to another bus (mono) so that signal is joined... but.. somethig goeas wrong.. the waves C1 Doesent make the sidechain.. even i've tryed like 5thousand tutorials... I've tryed all this sidechain compressors u mentioned... but none managed..
And logic Does Not Have a "button" for the imput signal.. only on its own compresor.. thats why I'm asking this question...
Maybe this trick with the TCsidechainer will work... let see..
Yet i'm asking if somebody has managed REALY to make a sidechain in Logic using diferent plugins than the logic's... pleeeeaseee share it..
and ppl plese dont flood...
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 04:00
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sorry, I spoke while trying to recall old memories.
anyway i installed the 5.5.1 , just to check what you were talkin about with many different sidechain plugin including compadre and i have experienced the same problem the bloody sidechain option would not appear, so I was wrong.
by the way i noticed before already that some plugin have the same issue with ableton,i had that issue with the wave sidechaincomp, that is why i gave you the link to other compressior knowing that they did work with live.
now i know they don't work on logic so hope you'll find a solution! |
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the daleks
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 06:30
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theres a 'hidden' feature in the Logic compressor where if you hit the flip menu on the top of the plugin, and change from the editor to controls (I think thats the name, anyway) there are some extra options
if you change the clip from off to soft you get a pretty nice warm sound out of it. not sure if this feature exits in Logic 5, but am pretty sure it does (don't think they have made any changes to the old plugins after they were written)
agree with you about the sonalksis compressor, would love to get version 2 which does support the sidechain function. come to think of it, I think the URS compressors have the side chain function, too
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the daleks
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 08:54
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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 11:00
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Plugins with a MIDI input channel will have a Sidechain option in Logic.
But it will work only if you put it as an instrument, not effect.
I'm not sure how a compressor can be manipulated...
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 17:13
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On 2007-03-15 08:54, the daleks wrote:
also, you can follow the compressor with the PSP vintage warmer, which should create the requisite sound
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Am I the only person who thinks that the PSP vintage warmer sounds like a very nasty artificial form of warmth or am I not using it properly? I can't evet seem to get the balance of highs and lows both sounding nice and the mids rather than warming seem to mud up a bit.
That said when I use it this is usually following me getting everything sounding just how I want it and then applying it trying to push the envelope even further.
Are there certain things you have to prepare for before inserting it? or is it just not my cup of tea?
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D-Alien
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 20:46
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soulfood
with all my respect.. but this topic is about the sidechainig in Logic Audio 5.5..
please stay ontopic!
so.. is there anyone that can describe it, step by step how to construct a sidechainig between 2 sources in logic audio without the use of the Logic's natives Compresosrs?
TRIP mentioned something about compresors with midi input channel but please.. describe the procedure.. I really dont find the way... If u can describe it with detalis. I've been looking all over the net.. but i find just the standart tutorials for cubase.. and cubase has this option "STEREO GROUP CHANNEL" which doesent exist in Logic..
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soulfood
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 21:06
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On 2007-03-15 20:46, D-Alien wrote:
soulfood
with all my respect.. but this topic is about the sidechainig in Logic Audio 5.5..
please stay ontopic!
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Sorry sir... won't happen again. I have ADHD ya see!
Have you tried asking some hardcore logic users on logic forums as in my experience many people who have 5.5 audio will have aqcuired that classic crack version and wouldnt have bothered learning the sidechain function as they have nothing stopping them d/ling other cracked softwares which are easier routes to sidechaining.
Actually do you actually mean logic audio or platinum? My recollection of audio was that you can only sidechain to the ES-1 and nothing else. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 21:37
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I mentioned a MIDI input channel.
what you need is an audio input that will control the compressor...
I haven't tried this since I don't have any sidechain channel compressors other than logic's. I also prefer using Logic ones.
I'll try to look into it.
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D-Alien
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 21:38
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yes its platinium.
u can make sidechain with the compresors
with es1, exs-24, etc..
but this is not the point...
i need the route.
i dont understand why the "logical" way doesent function...
Imagine, i have a kik-channel (track) and a bass-channel.
i pan the kik left and the bass right. I send the kik to Bus1 (stereo) and bass to Bus1. On this Bus i put the Waves C1-sc, there I define that the Left is ducking the Right, the kik os ducking the bass, in the compressor i folow the standart procedure, and than i send the signal to Bus 2 (mono) to unite the both panned signal into one. Logically this must work... But It Doesent...!!! WHERE I'm WRONG!!!??? why something so simple is such an obstacle for logic...???
any ideas? how is this thing with the MIDI... also haevent tryed the TC sidechainer.. it seems like some solution? but can somebody describe how excactly to build it.
thanx
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