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Sidechain to a muted 4/4 kick or main beat?
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 01:21
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When using Sidechain compression, should one route the bass to a simple, unchanging doef-doef-doef-doef muted kick and then have a separate kick track that will be the main kick heard in the song (that might have rolls, glitchiness and other creative sequencing)?
I can understand that this would be a better bet so that the bass stays contiuously throbbing without getting overwhelemed by a kick-roll but I'm also wondering if the bass might then drown out the energy of a kick-roll if it's compressed to the main beat. |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 01:54
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when I sidechain my bass, I copy exactly the real kicks to a muted track with heavy lopass, so just the bass of the kick works as trigger 
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Chambao
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 09:27
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 11:14
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What I've been doing is just SCing to the main kick.
So obviously something like doef-doef-doef-doef-doef-doef-doef-doefdoefdoefdoef is going to affect the bass quite a bit. I'm going to try keep a muted channel going and see how that works, especially using the low pass idea.
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 13:44
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I just run along a channel with the same kick and mute it
Its not possible with all the sidechainers i guess, but with the sidekick it works perfectly
Still able to sidechain pads, whitenoize, uplifters, atmos etc. in breaks
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 19:22
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What's the difference then, between having a muted sidekick that's identical to the unmuted kick? Why not just make one unmuted kick an unmuted sidekick as well?
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Aug 30, 2007 22:37
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Like i said, you will be able to sidechain pads and stuff to the kick while there is not kick playing
For instance in the break
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Chemogen
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Posted : Aug 31, 2007 11:11
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Aha, thanks man...Didn't understand at first.
My kick/bass balance is usually -5db/-7db so when you bring SC into the equastion, do you need a louder bass channel so that the compression doesn't lower the volume too much? |
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Posted : Sep 2, 2007 00:07
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but I'm also wondering if the bass might then drown out the energy of a kick-roll if it's compressed to the main beat.
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During a kickroll you could run a highpass sweep on the bassline.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Sep 2, 2007 04:00
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I dont get this question still...
why should the bass drown out the energy of the kick when just the bass is compressed with the kick as trigger?
anyway you got 2 options there...
1. just go for the 2nd-channel-muted kick-option
2. why should the bassline run during a kick-roll at all? you wont hear the bass, even hipassed, and if you dont hipass it, you just get a bassy mess
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Chemogen
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Posted : Sep 2, 2007 19:53
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Heh, sorry, I meant the bass getting drowned out by the kick-roll. I'll try an HP or actually not having bass notes during the rolls.
Psytrance outdoor season just started yesterday, so I have a new burst of inspiration. |
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