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bearpill
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Posted : Jun 7, 2014 12:45:34
RIP bro. Didn't know you were married to a Kiwi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin
Spaced-out Rastaman
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Posted : Jun 9, 2014 16:55
RIP           http://www.facebook.com/pages/Acid-Waves/210623772399578?fref=ts
OzMike
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Posted : Jun 10, 2014 09:12
Can I ask why there's a need to point out his wife's ethnicity ? It seems very strange to feel the need to do this.

Anyway from what I read he's just some drug taking dude? He managed to produce some "cookbooks" on drugs? Did he do anything useful? Did he help stop world poverty? Prevent the spread of disease amongst those less fortunate? Develop new farming methods for the African population? Or anything useful? And what does he have to do with trance music? From what I read it's unlikely he ever even knew of it let alone listened to it. Surely this is off topic?

No disrespect to the dead intended but this seems like weird thread for this section.

Rip to some dude who's famous for illicit drug making.           Revisiting the past.
randulon


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Posted : Jun 10, 2014 13:10
Judging by Bearpill's flag he or she is Australasian, maybe that has something to do with it? I think it's far stranger when flyers for parties have little flags next to artist's names indicating their nationality...

And...he wasn't just some drug taking dude, he helped in pioneering the use MDMA as a therapeutic tool so I suspect he did help quite a few people, especially if you believe, as I do, that psychoactive chemicals can help people when used and administered in the right way, i.e.: NOT at a rave.

As Shulgin was the man who reintroduced MDMA to the world you could say, on the basis that electronic music in its myriad forms is very much intertwined with MDMA, that this is a completely appropriate place to mention his passing and is certainly more interesting than the usual: "I hate/love Neelix/Skazi/IM/Dali/Psykovsky etc." stuff that passes for discussion in this ghost town of a forum.

Last point: he was licensed by the DEA to produce drugs, so he was never "some dude who's famous for illicit drug making."

All that said: he was just another human being who ate, slept, fucked and shat just like all of us and now he's worm food...but he had a pretty interesting life. Are we only allowed to comment on people who have done something "useful" in your eyes? In which case, what is the point of this forum?
Spaced-out Rastaman
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Posted : Jun 10, 2014 14:33
PIHKAL and TIHKAL have definitely helped many psychonauts by providing very useful information.           http://www.facebook.com/pages/Acid-Waves/210623772399578?fref=ts
bearpill
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Posted : Jun 11, 2014 05:40
My ma is a Kiwi!!

Always the obtuse one aren't you mike.
OzMike
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Posted : Jun 11, 2014 07:08
Yup.           Revisiting the past.
John
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Posted : Jun 11, 2014 22:38
Even the BBC covered the story - so I reckon a post on Isratrance isnt too out of order. He did indeed change the world. I'm old enough to remember what the UK was like before the "summer of love" in 1988 and what it was like after - and it became a significantly changed more open & tolerant place. Of course thats not all down to MDMA - but it did play a significant part (the rave scene was massive and had a lasting impact here).

Anyway - thanks Mr Shulgin for the Friday nights, perhaps less so for the Tuesday mornings...
full_on
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Posted : Jun 12, 2014 16:55
RIP.

He was a HUGE contributor to the understanding of the psychedelic's chemistry, pharmacology, behavioral effects and more.

He was a pioneer in psychedelics chemistry, being the first to synthesize and test (on himself) 2C-B and many, many other psychoactive molecules. Also had a pivotal role in re-introducing MDMA in the western world, initially as a therapeutic tool.

Due to his knowledge and experience, he was so important at a time, that the DEA granted him a permit to synthesize, characterize and store ANY molecule in his own property, including schedule I and banned illegal drugs.

As a scientist myself, I have no words to express what he really accomplished... Freedom and resources to use his imagination and science to execute the experiments he really wanted to do, including using his own body. Very few human beings ever achieved that.

Big respect for the man. Rest in peace.
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OzMike
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Posted : Jun 15, 2014 11:05
I'm not gonna argue here but there more to his work via that license than you've said. In that it was revoked. He was nothing more than a drug cook. And having used drugs and also worked in an ER and seen the effects of many drugs is got no respect for ppl who make 'em, use 'em or research 'em.           Revisiting the past.
full_on
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Posted : Jun 17, 2014 01:11
OzMike, I respect the fact that you're entitled to an opinion, and I also know from experience that you're a full size troll.

However, as usual, your arguments fade in face of the facts.
Shulgin published a lot (I mean, a huge lot) of his findings in the most prestigious peer-reviewed scientific journal, which is NATURE, along with another LOT of other high impact paper on other outstanding journals like the Journal of Medicinal Chemistry. I would say 99% of the researchers today struggle and fail to get one or two papers on Nature in their lifetime, and Shulgin has almost ten of these babies.
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