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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 20:44
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hijack.
It's downright disrespectful to the dancefloor and to the molecule itself, in my opinion, and should be valued a little bit more than just some random "nitrous" type of experience and smoked NOT in the middle of the dancefloor...but to each their own.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 00:01
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Heh, unfortunately you can build up an insane resistance to DMT. Trust me, if you smoke it every day for a month or so it completely loses its ability to transport you to the hyperworlds.
That being said, multiple doses in one night as long as you don't abuse the fuck out of it previous to that are one of the best ways to continually pry open your mind - best if spread out in ~30 minute intervals...
ANYWAYS, yeah I think its totally ridiculous to smoke it actually ON the dance floor - first of all, it does in fact smell like foul burning plastic for the people not using it. I know people who are incredibly sensitive to smoke when they're tripping...cigarette smoke makes me almost vomit at times.
Now, laying down a bit away from the floor on the grass and doing some is another matter completely 
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 00:37
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 03:45
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I agree - the key phrase there is 'proper hit' - if you are smoking DMT and are able to keep standing (or even more impressively - keep dancing!) you either fucked up smoking it by torching it and burning the chemical, or packing too low of a dose, or the DMT is shittily extracted, or you didn't hold it in long enough...out of all the psychs out there its the hardest to ingest properly in my experience and I've seen countless people get absolutely nothing out of it even though they've been told exactly how to do it proper
If you just smoked DMT and you aren't blasting through multi-colored layers of hyperdimensional psychadelia while being unable to detect that you have a body - something is wrong 
You're not a lightweight - pretty sure everyone has that reaction...if they do enough of it, in the right way that is!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 03:51
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I love Shpongle, I've been listening to their music for nearly ten years and I still haven't grown tired of it. Still fascinated by it, still listen to some tracks still wondering how they made this or that sound.
Like any producer of that caliber, though, for the amount that is charged for a booking, personally I expect a lot more than what gets delivered these days onstage (especially comparing to the scale of earlier Shpongle shows). That's something I'd expect out of ANY artist making four or five digits per booking. I don't think that's too unreasonable, either.
That's all I'm saying.
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konflux
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 04:19
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 04:26
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@Axis - I don't think that's an unreasonable criticism; unfortunately I have only seen one DJ set and that was prior to when I started producing, its entirely possible that when I see him in portland soon that I might swing over to the 'you charged HOW much for that set?!?' attitude....we'll see
As for the quality of the last album compared to previous ones...It's obviously very different from the prior albums, though in a good way to my ears.
If I had to rank them I would say #1, #4, #2, #3 - I really wasn't a fan of the whole 'split the album into a shitload of tiny tracks' approach on #3, and I cherry pick the shit out of the third one whereas all the others I can listen straight through without skipping ahead.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 04:52
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On 2010-04-14 04:19, konflux wrote:
As long as attending crowds aren't as demanding and performance quality-hungry as you guys are, your complains are irrelevant. The man is where he is because of the hard work he put into it. And, perhaps, a comfortable place in society.
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That's true, but almost everyone who has followed Shpongle for more than just the past year or so know that Shpongle is capable of more than a simple DJ set of long-released material, because that is what Shpongle's history tells us. It's true that Shpongle has put a lot of hard work into their music but it's also worth noting that if one does not continue to work hard in the present at what they do, people will notice even more than if it had simply always been that way.
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dopey576
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 14:12
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Ha... I really did not think this thread would be so controversial... I saw younger brother a few years ago at Spirit in NYC... I thought the show was amazing... Never heard Shpongle live.... So it should be fun.... I do not understand why people are dissing the DJ set aspect.... Agreed it may not look as exciting... but from experience I actually prefer DJ sets to live sets.... I do think a blend of the two would be perfect but pure live sets have more often than not disappointed. Whether this is a good or bad thing is not the point.... The fact is that our genre of music is just not easily performed (like picking up a guitar), so why not let the artist play his tracks in a kick ass DJ set?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 14, 2010 23:46
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herbivore
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Posted : Apr 15, 2010 00:08
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If Simon is making good money touring, good for him. He deserves it. I haven't seen him play the US yet, but I'm sure I will sometime. The only thing I have against some artist DJ sets is that you sometimes end up paying more than you would for a regular party just to hear the artist play the tracklist off his latest album. On the other hand, if an artist deejays special live mixes, remixes, forthcoming tracks, etc., I can dig that. My only real complaint is that Shpongle has now attracted the attention of the jamband circuit, so now rather than a groovy psytrance crowd you must risk seeing him with a horde of frat boys on mushrooms. But that's where there's money to be made, so I can't blame him.
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 08:59
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Gotta throw in my two cents here. First, since it seems to always come up when Shpongle is mentioned, I gotta agree with Cinder that DMT doesn't belong on the dancefloor. Maybe I'm over-thinking this, but if you're smoking it standing up on the dancefloor, aren't you a little scared to take the real rocket ride? Set and setting are so important and I just don't see how you could get those right in that kind of situation and it does seem disrespectful. It just seems like people want to do it so they can say they smoked DMT at a Shpongle show because it's the thing to do. Second, it's a DJ set. I got a lot of respect for Posford, but I can't bring myself to spend close to $50 for a DJ set. Now I'm getting into my third cent and I only put two in, so that's it. Carry on |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 21, 2010 07:23
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Wow!
And just the other day I wrote that discussions never descend into flame wars here...
Peek in here to find out more about Shpongle and end up in crossfire.
Anyway, I don’t understand the whole deal about live performance vs. DJ set. Unless you are a real band, how much can you really do live in this genre? Occasional keyboard or guitar riffs? Insert percussion sounds here and there? Or, God forbid, sing? Of course, anything is better than standing with your arms stretched in the air all the time – but seriously, is it really such a big deal?
Funny, the reason I even looked into this thread was that I liked the “Ineffable Mysteries” and wanted to learn more about the artist (artists, apparently). What selling out? I think it was quite imaginative and well produced. And the whole singing about Shpongleland, I think it was quite cool actually. Humorous self-promotion done in a very appealing way. I don’t know how that compares to the earlier albums. Or who are Hallucinogen and Younger Brother (avatars of the same deity, I suspect). Will find out tomorrow.
Don’t know how you can compare this music to IM or Skazy. Those guys really suck ass. And I understood this 3 days after I heard the word “psytrance” for the first time. You don’t have to be an expert in the field to spot a shameless fake. Shpongle does not seem to be one of those. At least not to my untrained ears.
Off-topic: Willsanquil, have you heard “In Plants We Trust”? It’s very imaginative and quite moving actually, even though technically it’s darkpsy. You are allowed to like music in different tempos, you know? 
Anyway, good night, America
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Posted : Apr 22, 2010 15:35
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On 2010-04-13 00:44, willsanquil wrote:
I just can't stand to see my all-time favorite artist mis-characterized as a soul-selling greedy bastard when, to me, he's the polar opposite of that.
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True, anyone calling him a greedy bastard is a moron. The guy has to eat...
I just feel though his heart is not into the psy community anymore, its just how he pays the bills. Simon has probably been to more psy parties than anyone in the world. How can he not be bored?
If shpongle DJ sets are what is needed to fund the next Younger Brother album then its great IMO.
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Posted : Apr 22, 2010 22:15
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forgive me if I started flame war here. I was just trying to point out that the first simon experience I had was downright amazing and what I would expect from the man, I think he really delivered more to the crowd because he knew he was amoung peers (aka actual psy kids instead of random festival goers on god knows what who had some drugged out kid tell them they should smoke dmt to it because they would see god) point is, the hallicinogen set I heard that night was tops, I mean, flawless, creative, awesome. then the next live hallucinogen set I saw (which simon was admitedly jet lagged for, so I dont blame the guy, poor dude was half asleep when he arrived, his flight had gotten fucked yadi yadi the life of a rock star) anyway, was lacking, he could see he was playing sunrise at a rave with few conscious kids in attendance (aka the place was bloody trashed) and the music presented wasnt as well orchestrated.
I think thats good, if anything, it shows he DOES have integrity if hes giving more creativity into the shows that he knows are actually a really big deal to the community hes so long been apart of. granted if a psy party shells out almost ten grand for his sets, your damn right we expect the real deal.
point is, who cares if hes drinking vodka and playing shpongle to a bunch of twisted frat boys, let him have fun and pay his rent, I do get annoyed by the extreme abuse of entheogens at all the major festivals, but thats a world wide issue not just a US over indulgent thing.
I havent heard the new album, I hear as I've heard yet again on here that its terrible, which makes me not really want to shell out for it. I think I'll take simons own advice and leave it at three. the rest can be for the new generation that are eating it up like its going out of style.
oh and on a side tangent OTT is fantastic. Having the pleasure of running both simon and OTT at a show, I've seen the difference in the sets, OTT is way more live oriented, right down to triggering the melodies live on his kaos pad (using the grid, its interesting) and everything is routed through his allen and heath which is the soundcard/ midi controller. its a much more interesting setup than simon uses and the sound is ALOT better in my opinion. I'd rather hear OTT play a live set than Simon play cds, but thats just my opinion.
they are both fantastic at production and if Simon actually reads the internet anymore, no hard feelings mate, I've met you, your a nice bloke, dont feel like the scene hates you, pay your rent, do your thing, and for gods sake give us another hallucinogen album
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