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Posted : Apr 11, 2010 04:53
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On 2010-04-06 23:36, GyPsynate wrote:
Can Shpongle be consi-terd to be World Music?
I guess so since he steals all his sounds and ideas from the rest of the world...he should be conciderd a mashup dj with a live synth.
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what live synth? I've seen him like four times.. just CDJs and vodka and lime everytime I've seen him. haha.
he does a funky dance too, nice guy though, I think his heyday was quite awhile ago. the only time I've seen his hallucinogen and really dug it was at Gamma Fest, it was a small show and he layed it out proper, then I saw him at ungerground sound 4 (aka rave in the cave) and it was like gamma goblins remix time. It was good, but I wasnt feeling it like I was in arkansas, I guess it was just the space and people.. I dont know. the kids were more into breaks and werent really feeling the trance so simon was kind of slamming the breakdowns to make it more breaksy until they got used to it and then it was trance. hard to explain but interesting, and it worked. I definately respect his live hallucinogen alot more than the shpongle dj sets. the dj sets are usually realllly similar and while good, just arent the same. I have heard him break into the trance in the shpongle sets but its very reminsicent of the crystal skulls kind of stuff. I like it all I've just found other things since then. If I were 18 it would blow my mind completely but I've grown past it now I guess. well that and the scene it attracts isnt always my cup of tea. his set at wakarusa was crazy the whole tent smelled like burning plastic (deeeemsters anyone?) and was wooked out.
OTT however played a killer live set and stole the show after simon. now HE is worth bringing out.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Apr 11, 2010 19:16
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Gone are the days of live sets w/ orchestra on top of Mt. Fuji, sadly... in are the days of $5000/weekday DJ sets easily imitated using ableton live 
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willsanquil
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I can't for the life of me understand how people are shitting on Posford. Saw him at Orb last summer do a Live Hallucinogen set followed a little later by a Shpongle DJ set and it was a profoundly amazing experience.
First of all, he's like the motherfucking father of psytrance in my opinion, and besides "I am a Freak" I don't think he's ever made a bad track. His live hallucinogen set wasn't just rehashed oldies, it was live remixed and with new material, melted my face right the fuck off. Oh, and he played Jiggle of the Sphinx with a new twist - when that shit came on I was flooded with emotion and couldn't help but cry on the floor - so powerful.
Also his energy and vibe he gave off was very different from all the other DJs there - very mellow, peaceful which was a welcome alternative to the dark pounding craziness that had preceded him. Smiling, doing a little dance, acting out the little subtle bits in the music. I got the distinct feeling that he was making a conscious effort to look out and observe all the people on the floor, guiding us along on a journey, gave me a very personalized experience and at the end he put his palms together as if saying 'Namaste' to all of us, so simple but so touching to me.
As for 'only doing shpongle DJ sets' - ....do you not know about the Roundhouse shpongle shows, or the upcoming new york filmore set? To do a live shpongle show is to do something incredibly complex with a large number of musicians that can only come together a couple of times a year if that.
I am more than happy to see him in Portland next month even if its 'only' a DJ set.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2010 22:56
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On 2010-04-06 23:36, GyPsynate wrote:
Can Shpongle be consi-terd to be World Music?
I guess so since he steals all his sounds and ideas from the rest of the world...he should be conciderd a mashup dj with a live synth.
Maybe he needs to give up on the dub and go back to Psytrance?
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Gypsy this is disappointing - I've seen you post a lot all over the place on different forums, and all of it has been intelligent but never seen you post something blatantly moronic!
"Steals" his ideas from the world? wtf is that! who the fuck cares where you get your samples or your ideas from as long as it sounds good, and IDK about you but the latest Shpongle album was absolutely fucking amazing, every song is unique and wonderfully psychedelic. "go back to psytrance?" - HE IS PSYTRANCE! Do you mean he should do derivative full-on like all the other fuckin artists these days, or go for that ATROCIOUSLY BORING dark-psy sound?
I for one am happy that such an intelligent visionary is pushing boundaries and creating something that is beyond KBBB and zipper noises. To me, "Psytrance" is music that is psychedelic and puts me into a trance state and no other artist or sound has given me a 10th of what Posford's has in terms of psychedelic visions and experiences.
We should all strive to bring influences from all over the world and integrate them into our music - have you ever seen an interview with Simon? EVERY SINGLE TIME he professes the joy of music and working with quality musicians, espousing a love for creating a joyous, loving attitude that we can all learn from - so much of the scene nowadays in my opinion is influenced by ever-rising BPMs, louder and louder and more aggressive bass in search of the 'killarghest' sound to appeal to the people who can pile the most E and Coke and Meth into their system as possible.
"give up on the dub and go back to psytrance" - what a pile of rubbish. Seems that so many people are pissed off that he did two Hallucinogen albums then went on in search of different vibes, different partnerships when they should be happy that SOMEONE is doing something unique and experimental in this scene. Makes my fuckin blood boil.
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paradigm
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 00:12
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lolz, this thread is hillarious...
As facehead said
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DJ etc etc etc. Thats all Simon does.
Sphongle live is not something that one is ever going to see in the states. Its not something that even happens anywhere with any regularity.
As was noted above. Simon is one of the fathers of psytrance. He has done more for the genre than any one single producer, and that is not something that anyone should short change
but.....
much like Infected, he has sold his soul to the dollar, or more so Coast 2 Coast entertainment.
He has found a fan base here in the US that eats up the dub sound, and he is able to pack small to medium sized venues, and generate a substantial income for both promoters and himself with his $5000 dj sets.
Anyone ever wonder why Posford tours the US more than anywhere else?
Income. Pure and Simple.
Selling out, in my book is when you alter your sound to appeal to a certain market demographic.
Granted with Posford its not quite so dramatic as it is with other names. He was still managed to maintain and degree or respectability.
However the new album IMHO was attrocious. While it still has many of Posfords production talents, he cheesed out big time with it. (that statement is coming from me, so if Im saying someone cheesed out, think about that)
Vocals that say 'welcome to Sphongleland'...... gimme a break
and having to put a breathy female utterence of his name into every track just reeks of....
well selling ones soul.
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 00:17
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Willsanquil......chill man, to each their own & everyone is entitled to their opinion are two phrases that come to mind. I think it is great that you have had such profound experiences to his music, and you are just short of professing your man love for Simon. What it boils down to is that as he has evolved in his own personal direction it has inevitably left some disappointed. That shouldn't be reason enough for you to get all up in arms about someone else's perspective just because you are letting it challenge yours.
Look at the flipside.....you are plainly stated that the "dark" psy sounds aren't your cup of tea. You have officially, through your opinion, done the same thing that others have about Simon. Now is that really going to get anything done? Your opinion is valid only in your sphere. Why does everything have to be so darn polarizing these days?!
FTR, the "dark" psy sound has a ton of innovation in it if you search for those artists who are doing different things and pushing the proverbial envelope. That doesn't mean that 90% of it isn't sub-par, but what sub-genre of psy, or any genre of music these days isn't. Find what moves you and don't waste your time and emotional energy flooding the interwebs and the world with so much disdain. That isn't so much directed at you, but at anyone who chooses to harbor such feelings.
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vector_0
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 00:41
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wow, mad haters LOL
the new shpongle album is arguably the best one since the first one. and simon is a really good dj, to boot. ease up on the trigga finga for a minute, folks, and go check out your local shpongle show. It will probably be fun 
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 00:44
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I just can't stand to see my all-time favorite artist mis-characterized as a soul-selling greedy bastard when, to me, he's the polar opposite of that.
So let me get this straight - if you have a lot of DJ gigs where you get to play your music, you've sold out? I would CERTAINLY agree that Infected has done so and tailored their sound to the mainstream nu-metal crowd and I'm righteously pissed off about that, but do you honestly think thats what the latest Shpongle album was? tailoring to a specific audience for money? Twisted isn't exactly rolling in money these days, in my opinion they're doing exactly what they want to do for love of the music, and tons of people happen to like it - BIG difference.
As for putting breathy female utterances of 'his' name - its not his name, its a name that Raja pulled out of the Ether to describe an alternate universe/state of mind based on love compassion and beauty - true psychedelic principles- I for one consider every track on the new album to be fantastic and very very very very far from cheesy - see any track where Duv sings if you want cheese.
OF COURSE its all completely subjective and personal and to each their own, I just completely and utterly disagree with a lot of what's been posted in this thread and as a devoted fan I felt compelled to say my bit...and if my bit is to call simon/shpongle haters a bunch of tossers thats my right 
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GyPsynate
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 01:37
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LOL willsanquil
Wow...ok...
"Gypsy this is disappointing - I've seen you post a lot all over the place on different forums, and all of it has been intelligent but never seen you post something blatantly moronic!"
I thank you for the kind words but Simon's sack must be heavy with you hang'in on there so tight. I said I was a fan of Simon's since waaay back did you even read my posts? I just have not been happy with the more recent work and am realy sad to still not have any new Hallucinogen tracks. You need to chill out dude its not like Simon would defend you so strongly...
We are all fans of "good" music but none of us are the final judge of what that means.
We all know about Opinions and the simalarities to %$#holes right?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 02:50
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You all seem to think that I just blindly accept whatever he does and lap it up because I have some secret Simon fetish - believe me- the moment that he releases something that isn't great (2/3 of the new younger brother samples sound dreadful...not happy about it) I will be the first to be disappointed - like if he starts doing fake live sets i.e. Astral Projection.
Case in point: infected. Was a rabid follower for years until they started turning into money-hungry shitbags. The *ONLY* reason I care enough to drop into a thread and defend simon's e-honor is because I think his music is awesome and I am continually surprised that someone can consistently release stuff of such high quality that moves me - even more surprised that people can make such unnecessarily negative comments about someone.
I don't drop into threads about dark-psy artists and berate them for being unoriginal and boring, or that they charge too much money for a DJ set because its not worth my time and I don't think it contributes anything at all - god forbid someone be influenced by world music and try to incorporate it into their style? I suppose anyone who's ever used a sample off a CD or collaborated with another artist is simply stealing, eh? I'm not usually fond of maxims or 'sayings,' but I submit this:
http://mangeorge.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/steal.jpg
I would have the same heated reaction if someone said that OOOD or Cosmosis or Tool or any of the other artists that I respect and admire go around 'stealing' stuff from the world and other people and call them greedy hacks.
but please, continue to call me a sack hanger or a man-lover or whatever else, all I know is that I like the man's music and vibe and I don't like to see good people/artist's names get dragged through the dirt, ESPECIALLY when those people have had an incredible influence on me personally and the entire psy scene.
I find it ironic that the same people who start out by saying the negative things invoke the meaningless subjectivity of opinion when someone with a conflicting viewpoint voices their thoughts. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 18:18
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We 'stole' one of the first blues songs ever recorded and used it on our last album But like your jpg quote says, I like to think we took it somewhere different.
I don't think anyone other than the man himself is qualified to give any kind of authoritative statement on Simon's motivations for doing what he's doing. Perhaps, like his friend Ott (who has also started touring the US with C2C and earning well out of it - he said on Psymusic recently he's in the 40% tax bracket here in the UK), he's recently become a father and feels the need to make the most of his earning potential to give his family a good quality of life. Wouldn't you? Is this 'selling out', or just caring for your child using the skills you have?
I said perhaps - I have literally no idea whether or not this is the case but it's at least possible and to me would provide a perfectly acceptable explanation.
For myself I try very hard to have no opinion on the matter as I lack hard information either way - other than what he's said in interviews about his feelings about his work, of course However before the release of "Nothing Lasts..." I do recall him writing words to the effect that he and Raja felt Shpongle had said all they had to say and that that would be their last album - that Shpongle was always intended to only ever release three albums; furthermore (and I'm absolutely no objective judge of what constitutes 'good music' or not) to my ears 'Shpongleland' does not have the depth or intricacy of their previous work. It therefore doesn't surprise me that some people feel he's gone for the buck rather than the artistic integrity. I'd love to ask him myself but the last couple of times I've run into him he's blanked me. Hey ho. Maybe he didn't recognise me cos of the beard; I was fairly clean-shaven the first time we met. I'd like to think that was the reason anyway.
Before we know the facts it's surely best to treat our speculations as to his motivations for what they are - utterly unfounded.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 18:46
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Are people actually complaining about people smoking DMT?
Of all the drugs for people to do at a party, this one bothers you?
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paradigm
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 19:00
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RE: Dmt, nothing wrong with it, except that in this scene in particular that we are referencing
people smoke it just as casually as they would a bowl of Sour Diesel.
Seems to me, that level of casual use, with something that has the capabilities of being so profound and powerful, destroys its meaning
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 13, 2010 19:56
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I can't speak from experience (having only had 1/2 of a DMT trip) but I've been told by multiple sources that DMT doesn't get any less profound or meaningful with each subsequent use, even if you smoke it 20 times in one night. |
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