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makus
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 13:33
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On 2007-11-27 13:20, shamantrixx wrote:
From my experience I can say that the root of disappointment is in the fact that I have set my standards based on the work of Simon. After a few years of not using any presets or prerecorded samples I found out that he was using both of those. For a brief time it annoyed me but then I've realized futility of such mindset. Shpongle is still great music and I have learned a great deal by avoiding presets and samples. So nothing is lost in the end 
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you set the rules yourself. noone said simon doesnt use presets or samples. but you had a great lesson, right?
i think its not about using samples all in all. its about _how_ one uses them.
 
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 14:11
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On 2007-11-27 13:33, makus wrote:
you set the rules yourself. noone said simon doesnt use presets or samples. but you had a great lesson, right?
i think its not about using samples all in all. its about _how_ one uses them.
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Of course I make my own rules, but in order to make them we all need to have a "role model" to make them. In other words you make your rules based on the work of others that you find to be the best (which is absolutely subjective). Due to the nature of our mind we perceive only in contrast. So it's your work in contrast to the work of others. Since you don't want to sound like someone else you try to extrapolate some fundamental approach, techniques and "philosophy" behind the work you admire. That is where this kind of disappointment and confusion can occur.
In the end... I'm far from sorry for setting my rules so high. I could easily just browse trough samples and presets for few years. Instead I've learned a lot.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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klippel
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 15:04
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thank you for your words shamantrixx.. |
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 16:19
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You're welcome.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Alias
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 16:44
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basically you all right here!
but its not about presets and drum loops
simon posford is the master of synthezis....he already did enough innovative sounds.
im talking about acoustic melodic composition from those sample cd's and from folk\world music albums
in the first place those sample cd's was made for tv shows, documentaries (such national geographic - vocals from a new way to say hooray), commercials....etc!
i just wonder if you in this position....when you so many years in music industry and you have good studio why not record those flutes by yourself or at least hired somebody that can play on this instruments. or may be collaboration!
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 17:42
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On 2007-11-27 16:44, Alias wrote:
basically you all right here!
but its not about presets and drum loops
simon posford is the master of synthezis....he already did enough innovative sounds.
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Nobody ever argued his skills.
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On 2007-11-27 16:44, Alias wrote:
in the first place those sample cd's was made for tv shows, documentaries (such national geographic - vocals from a new way to say hooray), commercials....etc! |
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Guns are in the first place made for safety reasons but in the end people get killed with guns. In other words the intention of the creator has never stopped people for using things in different ways than originally designed.
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i just wonder if you in this position....when you so many years in music industry and you have good studio why not record those flutes by yourself or at least hired somebody that can play on this instruments. or may be collaboration! |
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There are (at least) two approaches when creating music. What you suggest is write a track, compose vocal or instrumental line, hire a musician or singer, record etc.
Other approach is when you hear the sample that you like and start with that sample. It's completely different way of working because the sample sets the way in which track will be built around it. So in a way it is collaboration. You get inspired by some other artist (who made a sample) and you use that inspiration to build the track around that theme.
Just to remind you... I'm not talking about projects who construct entire tracks from sample CD's and VST's like Stylus RMX.
ps: beside that working with musicians is a pain in the ass most of the time.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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Alias
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 17:47
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i agree with you! 
but i dont agree that working with musicians "is pain in the ass most of the time"...
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shamantrixx
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Posted : Nov 27, 2007 19:12
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Well obviously my remark is based on my individual experience. Maybe you had a chance to work with musicians who are less ego oriented. From my experience: the better they play - the bigger the pain in the ass 
I'm sure that there are exceptions in the world.
"It occurred to me by intuition, and music was the driving force behind that intuition. My discovery was the result of musical perception"
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makus
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Posted : Nov 28, 2007 00:32
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On 2007-11-27 17:47, Alias wrote:
i agree with you!
but i dont agree that working with musicians "is pain in the ass most of the time"...
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actually sometimes it IS, really. even more often then one wanted it to be 
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 10:39
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the one thing i always found amuzing is that with the spectrasonics collection one of the things that i remember was a bit of text somewhere in the paperwork or on the package that says you have to give spectrasonics some recognition for using thier sounds
and shpongle never did
so anyways
its the same thing as making a collage out of magazines
i never gave props to whoevers art or logo ive used but its because its in a different CONTEXT and different sounds and logos or shapes have different meanings when they are removed from thier original CONTExT
you can take pieces of images or sound and make something different than what you started with
http://www.touchsamadhi.com/v/artwork/BSM/
(all images made with scissors/magazines/glue not digital)
for me its been mostly images, but sounds are fair game too
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maux
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 16:55
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On 2007-11-27 16:44, Alias wrote:
simon posford is the master of synthezis....he already did enough innovative sounds.
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AMAZING !......simply amazing.-
even if the shit is always coming back to the surface....you still refuse to smell it.
master of synthesis or just a fat mastercard ?
IKEA music....buy the new Logic...load the templates...fill up the hard disk with the latest coolest sample library...buy the most expensive boxes out there...here you go...fame is waiting 4 u.
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makus
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 17:21
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makus
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 17:47
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On 2007-11-30 16:55, maux wrote:
IKEA music....buy the new Logic...load the templates...fill up the hard disk with the latest coolest sample library...buy the most expensive boxes out there...here you go...fame is waiting 4 u.
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yeah, absolutely ridiculous way of making music. the right way is to download cubase, 100 gb of vsts and steal samples from other tracks.
cool post, mate, really wise.
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maux
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 18:13
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I suggest you to use ear cones...they should get all the wax out.
right...I bought cubase something like 20 years ago...I don't use it anymore.
but...uau....100 giga of vst...where I can download that ?
actually stealing samples from other tracks may be a more creative attitude than getting ready made sample libraries (microwave food) and claim to be the MASTER of Synthesis (when you maybe are a MASTER browser of presets)...at least you need to do "some" research.
ikea indeed is a killer.
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makus
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 19:07
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sorry i dont use ear wax.
i just dont get whats wrong with having all the best boxes in the studio?
seems everyone hears what he want to hear.
and where did mr Simon claimed himself to be a master of anything?
stop talking this crap man. just show some respect
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