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Should percussion loops be centered?
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jun 15, 2009 22:55:17
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So I've got a bunch of cool percussion samples I'd like to use, but how should they be mixed? If it's a stereo sample, should it just be centered and the panning kept the same? For full loops (snares, open and hi hats) I could imagine this working but when it comes to separate hi-hat loop, a separate snare loop and a separate open hat loop, should they be panned in the same way I normally would? (Snare center, hats to the left/right) or does only centering sounds below 300hZ muddy up the kick/bass?
I've seen some producers who'll take a loop, duplicate and pan hard left and right and cut up/rearrange one of them. What do you think about this? |
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 15, 2009 23:30
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u could use elelavaya Wider boy on them? got a piviot point on it that will keep certain freqs in mono below certain points thus still widening the image.
or good o'l M/S processing - sorry lots of people are against that or me for using it .
that would enable u to put reverb or delay on just the Side and keep the MID untouched spreading the image and lifting from kick and bass.
or De La Mancha's threesome u can spread or narrow different bands
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aciduss
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 00:23
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No.
Some elements centered other panned like:
Snare 1: mono / centered
Snare 2: stereo / panned / stereoreverbered
Closed and Open hats: centered
Other hats, shakers, tams, etc: panned
Try to play with stereo field but always have consistent percusion without panning. I like centered snares n claps since they sit on the kick. |
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Medea
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 02:14
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Never used loops, but i think that everything depends on the samples. All kind of percussion may work well in any way - snares may be very wide and hi-hats may be in the middle - depends on the samples, depends on the track etc. Really no rules about that.
If your centered snare fights with the kick, you can tweak the attack of the snare, or delay the sample a little.
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supergroover
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 06:13
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what ever sounds good sounds good  |
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jizy
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 14:32
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On 2009-06-16 00:23, aciduss wrote:
No.
Some elements centered other panned like:
Snare 1: mono / centered
Snare 2: stereo / panned / stereoreverbered
Closed and Open hats: centered
Other hats, shakers, tams, etc: panned
Try to play with stereo field but always have consistent percusion without panning. I like centered snares n claps since they sit on the kick.
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Yeh innit if it sounds good do it... just dont post shit like i did
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gutter
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 15:06
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I've seen some producers who'll take a loop, duplicate and pan hard left and right and cut up/rearrange one of them. What do you think about this?
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you can come up with lots different grooves with audio editing like this way and imo hard panning is not always needed, i start panning from 50 and raise if needed, helps to blend better with other drum elements, except you like everything too separated
loops that contain hats open/cls, snare etc i think most of the times have already been processed on the stereo field and pretty much everything like eq/compression, ie Thomas penton, Vengeance, you cannot do something more, a little more widening maybe
if you work with Kontakt try the pseudo stereo (small amounts), gives "that" little a hihat needs to open up, can be nice for shaker loops etc etc
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 18:33
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I've never centered my open hats although it makes sense that seeing as there isn't a kick there, the hat would fill its space.
With my mixes it's normally:
Centered
Kick
Bass
Snare
Crash
Left
Open Hat
Right
Closed Hat |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 18:41
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I prefer percussion loops to be stereo, but play in both sides, not panned to one side more than the other...unless there are other percussion loops, evening up the balance on the other side.
I just keep my kick, snare, main closed/open hats mono, then just let all the percussion loops play in the stereo field.
One more thing, sometimes you get lost with over processing drum loops that did not sound the part from the beggining. Try spending more time looking for the good loops. Some stuff you just throw in the tune and it simply sounds great. Your ability to select the right samples is sometimes even more important than putting a whole load of plug ins on a channel.
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makus
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 19:18
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imagine a room where people are playing those perc instruments and try to recreate the scene with reverb and stereo position. that's a very cool technique.
also, i think there is no a very fucking cool and correct rule how to pan the perc. just use your ears and check what sounds best.
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cyclone
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 19:41
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On 2009-06-16 18:41, disco hooligans wrote:
I prefer percussion loops to be stereo, but play in both sides, not panned to one side more than the other...unless there are other percussion loops, evening up the balance on the other side.
I just keep my kick, snare, main closed/open hats mono, then just let all the percussion loops play in the stereo field.
One more thing, sometimes you get lost with over processing drum loops that did not sound the part from the beggining. Try spending more time looking for the good loops. Some stuff you just throw in the tune and it simply sounds great. Your ability to select the right samples is sometimes even more important than putting a whole load of plug ins on a channel.
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what do u mean by saying PLAY IN BOTH SIDES?if you pan 45 left then the other loop 45 right?
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 19:51
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Just find a stereo conga kit that has been recorded, say, with the bigger conga slightly to the left and the smaller, higher in pitch conga, slightly to the left.
Just create a stereo track, drop the audio in. Done.
There is no need for dropping two loops in two seperate audio tracks and then having to pan them.
Most (the good ones I mentioned earlier) real drum/percussive loops have been recorded using more than one mic and have already been panned. Which means nice stero image of the dry hits and also picking up a nice stereo reverb from whatever room they were recorded in.
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cyclone
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 20:08
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On 2009-06-16 19:51, disco hooligans wrote:
Just find a stereo conga kit that has been recorded, say, with the bigger conga slightly to the left and the smaller, higher in pitch conga, slightly to the left.
Just create a stereo track, drop the audio in. Done.
There is no need for dropping two loops in two seperate audio tracks and then having to pan them.
Most (the good ones I mentioned earlier) real drum/percussive loops have been recorded using more than one mic and have already been panned. Which means nice stero image of the dry hits and also picking up a nice stereo reverb from whatever room they were recorded in.
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and where you find these loops?hehe to many questions...but i want to learn... |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 20:39
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Sample packs. Ethnic sample packs are good for bongos, congas djembes...etc.
There's loads of them on the net. Just google ethnic drum sounds if you want congas and see what you come up with.
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pavaka
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Posted : Jun 16, 2009 23:13
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