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SHIVLINK RECORDS ARE THIEVES, BE CAREFULL!!!!!!
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:39
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Everytime i read a topic like this its the same story!
just dont give anything or do a performance before getting paid and before you got your contract!!!!!!
Why in the hell would you even bother making a contract when you are giving everything away before you got it back anyway!
Its not about trust, its simply about being professional.
Better no release atall than ending up like this.
I've learned alot from this in the past year and now i only do business with valid contracts and with at least 50% downpayment
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:46
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mmm...
I know its a hard thing to put into actual practice....with this strange scene of ours....BUT!
You should REALLY be asking for money upfront.
Send them an MP3.....or a demo with noise in it.
They know you as an artist and know your music is worth putting on their CD. Why else would they be asking you for it?
I know the scene is not rich...and it sometimes you HAVE to give tracks without payment upfront to get a deal done....
But consider this....
If you are a new comer...you need a few releases...to start gathering momentum....
So you sell a few tracks real cheap or even do it just for teh exposure...
But once you have a good few releases behind your name....you don;t need to do this anymore.
You should starting thinking a bit more professional....and realise that these CONTRACTS are worth SHIT!
Be Professional towards yourself...and get your money upfront.
Does the track release mean THAT much to you that you will send tracks without upfront payment?
I would rather not have the track released....and try and get another label to take it....rather than having to fight and waste lots of time and energy trying to get your money.
It just makes sense.
And i dunno about you guys.....but i can;t write SHIT ...if i have shit like that to worry about.
YOu have been through this before....learn that the Contract is just a formality.
It obviously means fuckall.
WHy....cuz no one really has the money to follow it up with Lawyers etc.
Things can get ugly....like....is your software legal etc....i would not want all this CRAP.
I know a few producers that would rather eat shit....that give their tracks away without proof of payment before hand.
Its like travelling guys.
You don;t do it...unless you got the CASH.
This is a bullshit story with these guys and not paying...we are aware of it....
So protect yourself a bit more.....
You don;t need this CRAP.....
Beartrap - SA
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Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:48
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:56
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for sure Adi i cant agree with you , apearntly there are paraller universe here 
many artists living from this music maybe someone brainwashed u to get your tracks for free (think who else PROFIT from your music?)
making music as hoby is great for sure done it 10 years even more... but i want to get my music to proffesional level and this takes alot of work and money.
i cant respect someone who not stand in his word , if u dont wanna pay , say it from begining , some will agree some not but dont promise mountains and not deliver one sand bag...
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Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:10
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Elad, you are right.
I dont think all the people understand it, but just imagine what a label tells you by NOT sending you a miserable copy of your own release, and above that, lying that it was sent.....It ls LAME. It shows lack of respect for the artists and for the label they represent.
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aXis
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:51
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Wow ... im being silly ??? U do agree its an underground scene right ?? then why do u expect it to pay fr ur electricity bills ??!!!
its underground !!
Anyways , I was not pointing fingers nor taking anyones side .... Come on u know the truth , i know it and we all know it . Stuff like this has not happened for the first and the last time .
And Bro enertopia , Wit full respect to ur music , I must say if u have a job a girl i think u shud spend more time on them than on this isratrance !
Everyone knows this is happening rampant in all areas of this music , call it booking , release or promotion . IF we all wanna cry abt it then all we have is a crying scene ! |
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aXis
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:52
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and Tsabeat can we stay on topic rather than u asking me abt who is profiting from me ??
Lol ... are u a kid ?? do u believe everything u hear ?? |
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 23:40
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Sure guys....this can all be overcome....
Not receiving a copy of your own CD.
Thats why.....you need to develop a GOOD relationship with the label....
They not respecting you.....cuz you not respecting yourself enough.
Respect your work...enough ....not to just give it away on a promise...or shit contract.
Get the money in your HANDS!
THEN do business.
These guys KNOW you are around for teh long haul....u not gonna dissapear with his money.
You are gonna make more music....and you will be AROUND here.....
know what i am saying.
It does not work the other way around.
The Label can easily say....THATs it...we bankrupt...
while it all bullshit....and go holiday on your money.
Think about it.
Don;t let it get to that point.
Don;t PLAY with the fire....or these crap labels.
If you are going to....be SMARTER than they are!
Good luck guys.
Beartrap - SA
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Enertopia
Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 23:56
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On 2007-10-12 23:40, DJSarasin wrote:
Sure guys....this can all be overcome....
Not receiving a copy of your own CD.
Thats why.....you need to develop a GOOD relationship with the label....
They not respecting you.....cuz you not respecting yourself enough.
Respect your work...enough ....not to just give it away on a promise...or shit contract.
Get the money in your HANDS!
THEN do business.
These guys KNOW you are around for teh long haul....u not gonna dissapear with his money.
You are gonna make more music....and you will be AROUND here.....
know what i am saying.
It does not work the other way around.
The Label can easily say....THATs it...we bankrupt...
while it all bullshit....and go holiday on your money.
Think about it.
Don;t let it get to that point.
Don;t PLAY with the fire....or these crap labels.
If you are going to....be SMARTER than they are!
Good luck guys.
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Now, you got this guy Axis. saying I should spend anough time with my family, listen to this clown.
Now we have this other clown here saying we dont respect our own work.
Both of you, get a grip and hold on tight.
Better keep your stupid comments to yourselves, if you have any doubt that what is done is disputable.
And, mister axis, dont get my family involved or tell me how to raise my family or when to spend time with my family, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS PUNK. www.myspace.com/enertopiapsy |
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orange
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:05
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Enertopia
Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:15
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Great, I am happy this thread moves some things.
I know Nick read it, and I know he wants to have a good name out there.
I took extreme actions and gladly shaked it a bit.
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:16
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Mate.....
Why you getting SOOO defensive?
I did not get personal with you and call you names.
Sheesh.....trying to make a constructive crit for you.
I am not saying that you DON:T respect your own work.
I am saying that you SHOULD.....and if you do....you would take care with it.
Its now too late to try and work it differant with this guy.
You make more work for yourself.
Think about it.
Be smarter than this clever little fucks.
But your comments make me think bro.....
I was being sincere with my comments as i can feel your frustration.
Maybe its CUZ you have a day job that it is not that important to you.
I dunno.
As i said....i have mates that do this for a LIVING....thats all they do.
They have a wife and kids to feed....just like you.
But they don't have a day job.
Maybe you more clever than them or wiser to not keep all your eggs in one basket.....
However, the point stands....if they don;t sell tracks....or perform....they DON:T EAT!
If you can humble yourself to take a small tip from someone else.....maybe you can see the good logic in this method of working.
Its BUSINESS....TRUST NO ONE!
What don;t you get about it?
I never see him cry about money not received....cuz he MAKES SURE he gets it.
This is being PROFESSIONAL.
Professional is not just something other ppl see in you and your work.
Its about a way of THINKING and doing things.
But sure....you rather call ppl giving you advice (after you bring up the subject here) clowns.
But mate....the egg is in your face.
You sitting without YOUR money.
THINK bro......not always just DO!
PS.....we are agreeing with you......not fighting you.
So leave your aggression at the door mate. Its not doing ANYTHING for your 'image'.
Peace out.
Beartrap - SA
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Enertopia
Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:33
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DJSarasin
Im happy you agree, I did get pissed off but mostly when people bring families into conversation, was actually towards Axis. Bringing families and how to raise them into forum arguments is just lame.
OK, this is the situation.
Im speaking with Nick Shivlink right now.
I will get the things we agreed upon soon.
He never got any intention to rip off anybody.
So, I am happy for whoever needs to get CD's, payments.....
I give a thumb up to his possitive reaction.
We can now breath and relax, but, keep your eyes open for the next Robbing Hood.
Moderatotrs, I believe it is time to lock the thread, Shivlink got the message and will act in any possitive way to respect its artists.
Otherwise, new posts will be appear.
Peace.
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Enertopia
Enertopia
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 00:56
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I have to put my last words before we close this thread, I really appreciate all the support from you people.
We, producers and musicians need you people in oder to write music and deliever it with passion and love.
Shivlink have read this thread and immidiatly responded by sending the payments.
That was a very possitive move from Nick.
Again, big respect for your support, you guys made things move and made a difference.
Respect.
Emiliano.
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Oct 13, 2007 01:29
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enertopia sarasin spoke u very well and u replied in the rudest way u could.
maybe u should return to death metal and make a project and release some steam 
Hope u get your copy real soon cause its sucks not havin one with your music.
but nowadays u should know that vas need time to grow
b positive
CRX,HSS
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