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Sharing my sectrets if you help me with song structrure.
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Conny
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 17:08:09
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Hi im having problems to arrange and understand the song structure of psy trance.
Would be very thankful if anyone could give me some advice.
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Conny
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 17:34:49
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Hi !
Im willing to share some secrets i learned during the past (5-6) years when it comes to makin psy trance sounds, making the kick and bass work together, mixing and more.If your could help me to understand the songstucture in psy trance and how i can arrange my ideas im willing to help as much as i can.
Please send an PM if you are interested
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 17:41
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Gradually move from moments of low energy to high energy. |
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Conny
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 17:43
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Great something i should think of  |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 17:44
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Im pretty sure there is no structure in psytrance.No rule for a structure like for instance in hip hop where the common (standard) verse is 16 bars and a song contains three verses etc.In psytrance I didnt notice a particular structure.Listening to goa since 94 although I started to get busy with synth etc since 07.noob here hehe.Nevertheless there is no such structure like in many other genres.But I believe many artists got their own way of structuring along tha years,and could be sorta private style note.#Good luck to you Conny |
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illusions
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:03
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Just import a few tracks that you think flowly really well into a project - and cut them up, make empty/blank midi channels to recreate the project. See how it flows. Helped me. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:29
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normally I would help you, but the fact that you consider your knowledge "secret" and don't share it freely makes me not help you.
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/scm/html/workshops/index.shtml
for free "secrets"...
And of course there are structures of psytrance songs. each style has them very OBVIOUSLY.. this is exactly what pisses me off at parties, since so many songs follow the same structures. best is not to use them. Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:37
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On 2009-01-19 17:41, Chemogen wrote:
Gradually move from moments of low energy to high energy.
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very nice advice 
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Conny you know what to do when you really got a flow and have a clear idea about the flow... or at least that you want a flow.
this is my first advice:
Work, Pause and Listen.. Use metronome and count beats, feel the flow as you go, if you make a section too long you should notice it casue you feel its too long, then remove 2 bars and see if it flows better.. always be critical about this and dont just put things out,
sometimes it can be a good idea to introduce someting at every first bar or every second bar or every third bar or every fourth bar and so, you decide the pattern.
the idea of tension and release like Chemogen talks about, you decide here if you want to fool the listener or give him/her what was expected, a change or something new, or fool them and introduce nothing and save it up for some real sweet melody or sound...
my best advice is try and feel the track you work with..
use reversed percussion to an advantage but not too much, make small details that can hold sections that are just phase holders to next section..
Sometimes you can introduce a snippet of a sound some bars before that sound become a melody or a sequence just a little introduction to the sound so it wont feel too strange when it hits, on the other hand some sounds really should be surprises and come as one..
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Tryptagon
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:39
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On 2009-01-19 19:29, subconsciousmind wrote:
normally I would help you, but the fact that you consider your knowledge "secret" and don't share it freely makes me not help you.
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch/scm/html/workshops/index.shtml
for free "secrets"...
And of course there are structures of psytrance songs. each style has them very OBVIOUSLY.. this is exactly what pisses me off at parties, since so many songs follow the same structures. best is not to use them.
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Tribute
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:45
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hmm the only thing i ever follow is
2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 so on..
yes im a system engineer^^^
no really, every song and every artist has its own structure, which is good^^
but take the binary system above and you drive right |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 19:58
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no really, every song and every artist has its own structure, which is good^^
but take the binary system above and you drive right
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that would be so nice... but in reality.. most of all FullOn songs follow the astrix formula. also the other styles have formulas dark, prog, 90% of all psytrance is the same... most artists never find their own style but rather copy other artists structures sounds etc.
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 20:15
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On 2009-01-19 19:58, subconsciousmind wrote:
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no really, every song and every artist has its own structure, which is good^^
but take the binary system above and you drive right
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that would be so nice... but in reality.. most of all FullOn songs follow the astrix formula. also the other styles have formulas dark, prog, 90% of all psytrance is the same... most artists never find their own style but rather copy other artists structures sounds etc.
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So your telling him to copy a structure? 
Generic psytrance is pretty boring, yeah like you say many use the Astrix or "Israeli" formula for fullon..
you can still be innovative, make a really interesting 2-3 min intro that really takes you to the track,
a journey... Sometimes we should not see a track as a individual piece, maybe go further and plan a album and create tracks for this journey...
i think Jikkenteki showed with his free album how you can create very massive soundscapes that are very long but still twisting and turning..
its all about feeling! dont get stuck in todays trance loop and sound like everybody else.. make your own expression
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Conny
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 21:10
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subconsciousmind don´t misunderstand me .
Maybe my english is not the best , secrets is maybe the wrong word to use.But im willing to share any of my knowledge.So it´s free !
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 21:21
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What I'm curious about is how you managed to master creating psy sounds over five years without listening to enough of it to grasp a track you like's arrangement. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 19, 2009 21:32
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I always thought you are a little of a "brownie" ("tomte") Conny, you come here and ask for stuff then you leave often with out saying thanks or anything... and i seldom see you share any of your knowledge...
No offence i just felt i had to get that out of my chest..
cheers!
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