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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 00:32:17
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http://www.chordwheel.com/
anyone else got any great finds to help push the boat of creativity in an easier fashion?
i take a look at that wheel and im just confused. im mean tribes and the ancients didnt/dont use this or knew it by letters but only by tones and pitches thru perhaps sacred Geometry . so how do u re-adjust yourself to learn this stuff,i mean do the same rules apply using the wheel on a synthesizer and guitar |
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 03:52
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i guess what im sayin iz does it really matter what u kno aslong as the fuker soundz good and works, iz it necessary to kno how it works |
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Sgt-Kabukiman
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 11:04
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Since knowing how 'it' works can help you a lot when you face some kind of a problem (like: What would be the best method to make something sound like I want it to?), it's useful information. But since 'useful' in this concern means nothing but to utilize your knowledge so you can produce nice music, it's not necessary as long as you're happy with the music you make.
You can gather plenty of information about how to do things by experience without knowing exactly why they work. You can build a chair that serves it's purpuse without knowing statics or anything about wood, hammers, saws, nails etc. Chances are good though that your product improves with your theoretical skills. |
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Soma_Happiens
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 11:41
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as i see it - everything is just tools - one can do it with a rock, one can do it with a hammer. more tools you have, and know how to use them - more controlable your final outcome is. When you know the rules you may choose to follow them or break them.
the main thing use the tools as you like, and don't let these tools some how control you - there are thousands of ways to hold a hammer, and what is right for you may be wrong for others - and here comes the theory to help you reason why you hold your hammer your way, and to help you understand why it works as it works.
on the other hand term music theory often means theory of western music tradition one should not forget that what sounds good in the west often is not preferred in eastern, folk or tribal music. Everything - including theory is highly culturally dependent and music as a whole is just a combination of different approaches to tuning, perception and attitude towards the sound/silence, spacing between intervals and such - there are no wrongs here but right depends on what you wanna do, and understanding theory might be helpfull to understand and choose between tools in your arsenal
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wildlion
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 14:16
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+1 soma_happiens |
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 20:00
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i have no problems with synthesis and fx stereo space and clarity my mixing skills are better than the theory side
its trying to get ma head round how chord progression works, scales and all that rather than choosing which notes work together by trial and error is what im driving at..
what im askin iz do u have to be an expert pianist to do well in this field or do i really have to spend the same amount of months as i did learning how to mix audio...
can u survive on trial and error and still produce good tunes , aslong as it structured and soundz good,, does it matter iz what im saying..
for example my fav note to start is G then i realize that A# and D along with A or C and F goes well, especailly in audio realism bassline for acid patterns....but i have no idea why it works .. there just pitches to me...all this scale bullshit and chords learning takes the fun out of it.. so am i gunn have to learn why and how in the same way i had to learn why and how in mixing audio
yeh i guess what ya sayin iz do what u gotta do, im wonderin if there r people on here that kno not much of really how the notes work and still have made it..yeh u pick up along the way, like i kno some of it.. like bassline and kick G1(49hz) OR E1(41hz) what ever, then the whole mix will follow that.. but who cares yeh, just make nice sounds and make them fit.
just dont kno which end to tackle the theory side its quite overwhelming lots to take in. where the fuk do ya start, coz say one day i wana make an emotionally powerful driving tune i would have to do by trial and error..or say if i wana make a happy bouncy tune.. i could just get on it and do it..where do ya start what ya suppose to kno |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 21:30
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I think this is the biggest loss of this genre, couse it's all just about mixing qualities/sound design and hardly a tune is based on deep psychedelic motives/waves of notes, chords and scales etc.
MOstly it is based on one-5 notes -one finger motives, often the range of notes is within a half octave.
Please correct me with a youtube link if I'm wrong.
In the 90s it was often different, even infected mushroom had some psychedelica in their music and flights over 3 octaves with chords and lots of such suprises that produces deep often euprhoric emotions in mind. I keep the respect for them for this art they offered to this back than.
I think something really psychedelic & timeless or special is possible only with this missing craftwork.
To find a few notes by trial and error isn't probably that hard but it also sounds rather simple, to create something more & special is hard work and needs a serious dedication to music theory as well as to a lot of experiments in practice.
Sure you can make it to be played atleast for a summer like lots of known releases based on the same forumlas . I guess it depends what you want to achieve.
To read and practice music theory can be useful, actually no matter in which genre.
The circle of fifth is also a good starting point. I'm not a pianist and far from being an expert on music theory, also after years my -first- tune within this genre that I'll be satisfied with is still before me but to write psychedelic motives on piano is the biggest fun for me.
When it works it's even more fun to put an own sound design to it. I find this is much more fun and psychedelic than fxs or one finger/3 notes motives, no matter how cool the sound colour is.
i'm sure not many will see it like this but that's my honest opinion and I'd love to hear again something really deep in psychedlic trance. 
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 21:39
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good shit im well satisfied with that ... yeh i would like to extend the theory then advance it into sumthing unique "which is what it gotta be in this style as we all know psychedelic is a unique and powerfull experience to be had " which is why we are all brought here - i would love to extend further into the borin shit to advance and put it to advanced sound design, just dont kno where to start with it on the basis of producing the emotion rather than """"ultra full on boom boom boom at 150 bpm, getmy drift - its just sound to me - like amiture acid techno soundz just thrown in for people on speed or whatever give em anything thel dance to it...
that is exacly what i dont want - without sounding to over critical... just where do u begin where is there room 4 more of us, which is why the "game" needs to be uped |
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Soma_Happiens
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 23:19
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good points, Traveller.
But imho, though it is possible to write nice music on sheet only knowing theory, but only small amount of gifted people can do it (well it can be trained but...) what is more important is knowing your instrument, feeling what is gonna happen when from playing here you go there, what mood will it create, tension? release? happy or sad? will it fit in the picture? and so on. when you know your instrument you dont need so much theory to express yourself, you just play. there are a lot of theory involved off course (the best way to learn instrument is playing scales, a lot of scales, different scales  ) but it is always better to use theory in some semiconscious level than to think about it as i believe psychedelia is and always has been an experiment, experiment with effects, timbres, scale and chord choices, leaps here or there, samples, recordings and rerecordings and instruments themselves. cheers
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 27, 2013 23:35
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i hear ya., thats exacly it i found that instinctively it flows naturally wether u kno it all or not, in the same was that mathematics is an embedded language thats already within in...just how the "modern" has assembled it that throws me off coarse to make it seem more complicated than it actually iz eg i route my Fx chains for sound design scales are abolished. how do we conclude and finalize this thread ...good wisdom here
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 01:15
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imho music theory is like driving a car. you can try around and get somewhere and you can learn it, which will lead you to overthinking it, getting lost in the details and so on. but with time you'll apply it naturally and you have got another tool in your brain which helps you create good music.
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i guess if you learned scales, you could save the time figuring out the minor scale and would instead have fun spending your creativity on a nice chord progression or something |
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Geom3
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 03:34
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i spose its best not to take the knowledge that is out there for granted, ignorance certainly is not bliss in this field its just that inital process of understanding,learning and getting ya mind around it. 
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makus
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 12:01
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On 2013-02-27 03:52, Gom3 wrote:
i guess what im sayin iz does it really matter what u kno aslong as the fuker soundz good and works, iz it necessary to kno how it works
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you don't need that if you make your music just for fun, when you feel like making music.
when you need to make a soundtrack, that must correlate with video or some other data; when you have a reference from a client; when you have to make music even if you don't feel like doing it - such tools might help.
also, did you ever try to make proper blues? country? piano solo? cuban ska? a-la classical piece? music is not only psytrance and synthesizers.
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Grevinsky
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 16:25
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Sure music theory helps, but what really help me the most was really getting into the practice of an instrument.
Jamming with ure self or others is a very important part, you find out the possibillitys, you learn how to take things further, and soon you can progress chords and melodies naturally. It takes a while like everything else but its worth getting into.
So my tip is, buy a instrument, preferable piano(more convenient while recording midi )
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 28, 2013 16:32
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if you know someone that is a pianist or skilled guitarists or best if studied it, this is a great help, nothing make a learning process faster. I learned the most from a friend that even don't like psytrance, but is a long yeared musician and music theory is more than half of his world. Very recommandable to hang around with musicians. I belieive to know about music theory , mouse is enough to get really psyco ^^ havent touched my guitar for something like 3 years now, need to buy new strings for almost thee same  ..but damn miss it. A few octaves on keyboard is enough to learn though. Well a mouse is indeed enough.
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