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Shame on me, i use presets!
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 13:26:54
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What do you think, dear musicians, about using synth presets while making your tracks?
I found that I use them a lot. Of course I make some changes, but I found that I am much more focused on mixing and music itself (arrangement, melodies, harmonies, rhytms, grooves, gold rays etc...), than tweaking the hell out of a VSTi synths.
I can say more: I use a lot synths like Atmosphere, UltraFocus, Trilogy that are preset-based. More: for all drums and percussions I use samples (well, sometimes I make kickdrum by myself, but not often).
The things I tweak a lot are volume and pan faders, EQ and Compressor settings, Piano roll  etc. In fact, the only synth I love to tweak some sounds out of is my hardware Waldorf microQ, but I don't use it in every track.
Okat, so what I want to say with this topic: using presets will NOT make your music sound like everyone else. Your music will sound like everyone's else if you want it to sound like everyone else's
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wizanda
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 13:34
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ohshit
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 14:04
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Musicians are used to think about music, sound designers about the patches. In electronic music often the musician cover both roles but i think it's up to you at the end; not to mention that a lot of people make their own "original" patches from scratch copying some other's sounds...
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JohnTaramas
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 14:43
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good question. its not so pleasant listening to music and recognising presets and sampes that you heard several times before, beeing used without changing any parameter at all. to me , what is good with presets is that they can be inspiring in a way. e.g when i listen to a preset i like i try to figure out and learn the sequence of the waveform type, lfos, effects etc. so, i can 'remake' it on my own and fit it exactly as i want in a mix, or make it through some other synth.. |
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 15:04
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On 2010-02-05 13:26:54, Medea wrote:
What do you think, dear musicians, about using synth presets while making your tracks?
I found that I use them a lot. Of course I make some changes, but I found that I am much more focused on mixing and music itself (arrangement, melodies, harmonies, rhytms, grooves, gold rays etc...), than tweaking the hell out of a VSTi synths.
I can say more: I use a lot synths like Atmosphere, UltraFocus, Trilogy that are preset-based. More: for all drums and percussions I use samples (well, sometimes I make kickdrum by myself, but not often).
The things I tweak a lot are volume and pan faders, EQ and Compressor settings, Piano roll etc. In fact, the only synth I love to tweak some sounds out of is my hardware Waldorf microQ, but I don't use it in every track.
Okat, so what I want to say with this topic: using presets will NOT make your music sound like everyone else. Your music will sound like everyone's else if you want it to sound like everyone else's
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i totaly agree with your last sentance, although i prefer to use vst's that i can change the sound during the track and not sample based vs'ts like nexus or omnisphere.
i think that with experience you learn how to use almost any sound to your benefit. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 15:13
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Nothing like finding a good preset. Nothing like making your own great patch from scratch. There's no rule that you can't make a track from all presets that aren't tweaked at all, but it just depends on how you prefer to make music. Presets are a finite commodity so I think it's good practice to make your own sounds incase you run into a situation where you can't find a preset that fits your track.
Lately I've actually been finding it easier to make my tracks flow together when I make my sounds from init.
http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 15:18
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Which VSTi (not sample-based i mean, true synth) can give, for example, pads of similar "analog" quality as Atmosphere?
The main reason why i use that sample-based stuff is that i can't get such variety of fat sounds from regular VSTi synths...
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 16:49
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nothing wrong with it,
It is just a bit lame.
i always try to make unique sound.
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ohshit
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 17:00
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I rather prefer unique music than unique sound.
Even a classical sine wave patch can produce (just with composition or even more after eq, fxs and automation) really different results...
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soulfood
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 17:21
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I used to make everything from a plain saw patch I made. It was alright, but it took ages to do anything.
Now I find a preset that does a similar job in terms of the frequencies I want filled, program the melody or rhythm I want to hear, then I start tweaking that.
I think this is the best way to work, but you have to use a fairly plain initial preset so that it doesn't colour your ideas to much.
I advise everyone to make their own basic presets as a mould to be shaped. i.e have a basic psy bass/pad/lead without too much additional harmonic content or movement, then access the relevant tool for the job, compose, then manipulate.
It's a nice way to go about it. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 17:27
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Zero-Blade
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 17:31
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supergroover
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 17:44
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What I often like to do, is to add some fx as inserts to a track and then scroll your presets again. You won't even recognize them anymore. Thats when I often run into sounds I really like.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 19:06
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I started off using presets when I first started making music, but I don't use them now days at all. The reason being that I go straight to the init patches and start programming things to get to a sound I like and find usable in my music. time is really tight these days and I can't waste time going through banks of presets + I take a lot of time programming my kicks.
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SCircuit
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Posted : Feb 5, 2010 19:10
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On 2010-02-05 17:44, supergroover wrote:
What I often like to do, is to add some fx as inserts to a track and then scroll your presets again. You won't even recognize them anymore. Thats when I often run into sounds I really like.
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Yea I totally do the same thing, Find some interesting things that way.
Presets are good to give you a general idea of the capabilities of the instrument. But most of them are mathematically divergent to the bpm your working with and need to be tweeked anyways. |
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