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moki
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Posted : Jul 17, 2009 21:06
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btw as you mention fuck for forest, did you read their story about the anarchistic congress in berlin where they were treated very offending and were sent away. i find this story very interesting and essential and i actually wanted to check it out with the camera with FFF again. thanks for reminding me of that.
to send fuck for forest away from an anarchistic congress is quite ridiculous. it is like to send goa gil away from a trance forum.  )))
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moki
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Posted : Jul 17, 2009 21:13
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http://www.fuckforforest.com/news/Freenews-430
the story.
sure there are always two sides in any problem situation but my feeling tells me that fuck for forest were not treated as they deserved to be. actually it is all because of narrow minded people.
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rich
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Posted : Jul 18, 2009 01:47
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On 2009-07-17 21:06, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
to send fuck for forest away from an anarchistic congress is quite ridiculous. it is like to send goa gil away from a trance forum. )))
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Well...
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 18, 2009 10:56
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FFF is cool !! And these guys were anarchists ??? Really lame guys:
Anarchy:
""A social state in which there is no governing person or group of persons, but each individual has absolute liberty (without the implication of disorder)."
They have not gotten the point then.
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moki
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Posted : Jul 18, 2009 13:20
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i just organized a meeting with fuckforforest at the beginning of next week to do the video interview about the case.
they seem to plan to leave berlin (not sure but this is what i understand from their mail right now). so i actually catch them just before they leave! thanks once more for synchronicity @axis!
so they are happy to discuss the case in front of the camera. they seem to be very touched by this case. and the issue is, that i understand them perfectly how they feel in berlin.
so stay tuned, i will post this for you very soon.
about the congress, well i actually happen to know the opposite side of the conflict too. so i will try to get a statement from them too.
but you are right, they have not got the idea of anarchy at all. shameful.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 18, 2009 14:19
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moki
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Posted : Jul 18, 2009 17:01
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i will really miss fuck for forest if they leave germany.
everyone is leaving germany. may be it is time to really think about it.
hope to put some last urgent impulses in the air. may be there is some german who reads this international forum and can make a statement what is the fucking problem with this and why do freaks get treated like this always with the same explanations that we ( the freaks from elsewhere) do not accept the solidarity that THEY have among themselves. DO YOU ACCEPT THE VISIONS OF OTHERS?????????
you can read everything about the statements of the oposite side, if you know german and search in google for anarchistic congress and fuckforforest. and it is more than ridiculous. they were put away because the guests thought that during the workshop "sex and anarchy" fuck for forest wanted to present themselves, which was found impertinent because fff were too self centered. fucking ridiculous. it really makes me a bit arrogant because i know what is the situation with this one in berlin. i got problems because of an almost naked foto of mine in goabase too - it was the biggest discriminating in my life. so http://www.timewavezero.de is not invited in goabase. and at the end only only lies about my personal life, job, sexist etc. i dont need to be sexually steril just because i am in germany and need to followe solidarity. i have MY OWN VISIONS YOU GET IT???????
it is absolutely ridiculous to supress the sexuality of others and to call them sexists at the end.
but i understood that speaking in forums doesnt help. i cant wait to see them and do the interview.
you cannot send fuck for forest away at a workshop about anarchy and sex. it is so fucking stupid to do this.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 19, 2009 11:55
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Yeah, its sad changes... But what can we do ? The only right thing to do is what your heart says.. For sure we will meet alot of resistance... but connecting with different people all over the world is much easier now, we just have to use it in the right way..
Dont give up is my word on this
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moki
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Posted : Jul 19, 2009 13:24
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yes you are right.
the most important thing is that one door closes and another opens. always. so you have to really go through the best possible door.
fuck for forest are "self centered" because they know that they are unique and no one else can do their project except themselves. this is what the rest of the masses dont get about being self centered. actually i hate the masses and their lack of mind.
we can do without the masses. but we cant do without the absolutely unique people of this scene. and there are not many of them!!!
i am not supporting the porn itself but the vision. i like their vision. i like the way they get publicity. but actually i really find it pity about berlin. berlin is so different and so much more open minded about sexuality than any other city in europe....and it is very colourful, many people with more than one nation are here, you cannot really speak of solidarity of germans in berlin. because we are so many, so many nationalities we have, some of us have even more than two. who has the right to choose the rules - especially in an anarchistic congress??????? well all of us equally. i spent half of my conscious life in germany, and still dont get the point why i have to be like the masses in order to have solidarity with them.
sexualize your revolution is a good slogan. it is much better than " follow our solidarity or you are out".
but whatever. main thing is to remain sure in your own goals and visions. i understood in the last 6 months that the people i am interested in in germany are actually the most interesting species in this place and are another species and NOT the same thing as the masses or the goabase case. i could do perfectly without the masses and the steril society. i only need a few exemplars that inspire me in life, the rest can ***.
and btw even if i am not a part of fuck for forest with porno material, i support the way they make publicity in the politics. and i would never send a porn material because of my social engagements in life but i dont think it is a bad and arrogant thing to be anarchistic in sex. and fuck for forest are the absolute masters. performance pur.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 19, 2009 13:35
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yes for sure, i also support their vision and ideas.. But im also not involved in their videos lol
"we can do without the masses. but we cant do without the absolutely unique people of this scene." This so true.. We need the crazy and creative people, people who dare stand out and say what they belive (even if people laugh or mock you).
Its maybe even harder in the so called "open minded" scenes, some ideas are just too much for some and they just want to shut it down or they mock it and get their friends against it also... So much for open mindness  hehehe..
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moki
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Posted : Jul 19, 2009 19:05
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"Its maybe even harder in the so called "open minded" scenes, some ideas are just too much for some "
yes, +1000:))))
this is also why i have an allergy about always reading how positive and open minded the trancers are. at the voov for instance there are many ppl actually, who dont wanna see fuck for forest fucking on the festival....well may be i dont wanna see steril people at festivals either?!
actually as you can read in the article of FUCK FOR FOREST it is exactly how fascism is born. if you search in google about the case, you will see how many people explain absolutely ridiculously what happened and then say that they were not even at the workshop where it all happened. you know, they are like puppets who only repeat what the others said, believe anything the others say out of solidarity and especially they put their nose into your private life without any permission to do so and tell only only lies. this has to be the open minded scene of trance?????? you can forget it. this is the scene where you can buy lots of fashion to look trancy.BUT THEY ARE NOT TRANCERS! THEY DONT HAVE THE VISION!!!
( note , for instance here in the next street in the middle of berlin, there is an alternative house where it is written, no lookists are welcome!!). you know, people who have not the gift to be attractive naturally want to be among like-minded only.)
and it is really harder in trance than in any other scene. i have never ever had problems to present my visions or argument on my theories outside of trance - in universities, in jobs, in conferences and symposiums. even in sexual interractions.
only the trance scene is supressing my individuality. at the end they say they are the open minded and i am not following the solidarity. they love to behave as germans and dont even notice that not every german sees and experiences the world the way they do. but they love to put the rules with the statement that we have to accept anything a german says since we are in germany. this is more than ridiculous. i am so disguisted that i cant even describe.
and if you know the story better , you will know where it started. the women at the congress said that they dont like ducks making sex in front of them. and they dont like thin women. what ever.
really no need to express my feeeling in isratrance althought i would really love to feel the international scene in germany once more, as it has always been. and the scene would never be what it is in germany if there were no intercultural faces to make it colourful. they dont get this. whatever, i am happy that at this point i only have problems with the masses in the trance scene and nowhere else.
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RaDioAcTiVe AcIdHeAd
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Posted : Jul 20, 2009 07:55
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On 2009-07-13 14:56, oggabogga wrote:
Once I had sex on LSD and it turned into a nightmare.. I thought I was having sex with a Gollum creature and it scared the crap out of me, almost started to cry and begged her to stop because she scared me. I hurt her feelings deep I think, which is totally uncool. It was horrible, I'm still upset about that experience.
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moki
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 13:17
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...it was such a great interview with Fuck For Forest yesterday, i am still in trance.
i absolutely love idealists with their own visions. but it is sad to hear their story in berlin. i will prepare this interview for you as soon as i come back from in berlin after a couple of days on an island. would appreciate if you see what they say....thanks to this thread for pushing me to them.
actually they even made a live show yesterdays after that, live in the internet. never saw it before in this way.
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kriz
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Posted : Jul 22, 2009 15:07
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jul 23, 2009 03:06
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Hahaha! Great thread!
To the thread starter... why not just relax and have a good time, i mean you dont always have release your sexuall energy in that fashion.. i mean being horny and dancing can be the best orgasm you ever had.. but maybe in a different sense..
and just flirting and smiling is very very nice...
Sex just comes with alot of responsibility! and when i am at a party i dont want that... i wanna feel free and not feel like there is any competition.. i want the dude next beside me to feel joy and smile to everybody... not that he is looking at me with Jealousy cause im smiling to his girlfriend....
we need to let free and just focus on our selfs and our own needs, to feel good and have a nice time... if everybody does this its great, cause then we be united in love and all this spiritual things we talk about will come true...
Of course it can be a great thing to make some "love" anywere.. but lusting like a horny wanker at a party wont do you no good, so go and wank and have a blast at the dancefloor afterwards, or just suppress the urge to cum!  and transform that energy to something else, like feeling good
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