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Set the note of a kick ?
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 10:18:45
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I've often heard that the kick you're using should have the root note of the key you're using for your track.
What's the best way to do it ? Put it in a sampler ?
(I'm using Live! 7) |
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Medea
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 10:23
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 10:59
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most of the times if you change the note of the kick, it will become thinner or muddier and will never have the same punch and clarity with the original, so it is best avoided to do that, the best is to make them on your own, on the key you want, or try this, take your kick, put it in the sequencer and make a 4/4 pattern, load melodyne and check in which key is the kick, then just take melodyne out and write your bass at the same key as the kick,, this may sound limited, maybe you dont like that note or does not inspire you , but its a good way to experiment with the fit of notes/frequencies etc..
but dont change notes, it will sound shit, try it in kontakt or make a pitch shift to see for yourself
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Medea
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 11:20
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hm. i disagree. i often tune the pitch of the kick in Battery, also use Bettery's pitch-bend (typed "bitch-bend" first 0_O) envelope, and it sounds nice often, if fits with bass and other sounds.
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 11:54
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i see, never tried it through the battery envelope to tell the truth, maybe it does better job, i think ive tried it with some percussion but never with a kick , whenever ive tried to change a kicks note (pitch shifting, melodyne etc), i found some weird/annoying resonances appeared in the signal in the low end which makes it sound thinner and im talking for one or two semitones , the less possible change,, but ill try it in battery as well 
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vegetal
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 12:39
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On 2008-10-29 10:18:45, PsyTiax wrote:
I've often heard that the kick you're using should have the root note of the key you're using for your track.
What's the best way to do it ? Put it in a sampler ?
(I'm using Live! 7)
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Root-key of a kick?!  hey if it sounds good then why care for key of a kick. Toss it into the simpler in live and play with it there.
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soulfood
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 13:10
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As long as it gels nicely with the bass line it's all good.
Don't be getting out the pitch fork or anything. |
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PsyTiax
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 15:06
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The bass and kick are supposed to sound better together if they share the same key, hence my question.
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gutter
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 15:14
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check a mix ive posted, the kick&bass are the same root key ,, i also believe they sound better if you mix them well and the bass is made to fit the kick as well
its all about taste as you see there are different opinions
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 15:26
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if you handle your kick's harmonics (by eq mostly) in such way that they don't produce an extremely audible note, then i think you're ok.
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Remy [POF]
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 15:30
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Kicks on same key as bass ALWAYS sounds better then kicks that are not.
And a way to change the root key without actually effecting the punch of the kick is that you just change the 1st 20 to 45 millisec's, they are actually the one that give the tone out.
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Brain_Train
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 15:51
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while making a kick yourself that fits the bassline is the way to go imho, i used the "pogo" knob in the fl studio sampler some time ago to make a kick sample fit to the bassline.
don't know if you're using fl though...
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 17:21
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I make all my kicks in Ultrabeat.
Its easy to tune a kick when you are making it your self. Its a sine wave sweeping fast from the higher register to the sustained note you are playing. Its the sustain you need to tune. All the bottom end is there. The transient is where that "clickiness" resides. So its up to you to select the curve, how fast and from what frequency the sine is going to start sweeping, in order to create your kick.
Ultrabeat has intuitive envelopes that allow me to make all my trance, proggy and techno kicks there, much more flexible than when I was making kicks using my Doepfer modular.
For sampled kicks, if they sound good as they are, fine...otherwise keep looking till you find one that fits.
Its always easier to write a bassline for a kick anyway.
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Greententacle
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 18:27
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On 2008-10-29 15:30, Remy [POF] wrote:
Kicks on same key as bass ALWAYS sounds better then kicks that are not.
And a way to change the root key without actually effecting the punch of the kick is that you just change the 1st 20 to 45 millisec's, they are actually the one that give the tone out.
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How do you change the first millisec? |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Oct 29, 2008 18:28
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On 2008-10-29 15:30, Remy [POF] wrote:
And a way to change the root key without actually effecting the punch of the kick is that you just change the 1st 20 to 45 millisec's, they are actually the one that give the tone out.
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Its the sunstained "boom" that holds the note, not the transient. The transient is just the sine wave sweeping down the spectrum. It is the bottom end you need to tune to get the bottom end of the mix sounding perfect, provided you've mixed the kick and bassline well obviously.
Something else I wanna add from when I was making breakbeat records, mixing real kick drums with synthetic ones (and snares).
You can find a kick sample that does not have the bottom end you require, high pass it and add your own tuned, slightly modulated sine wave, TR-808 kick style. You keep the nice top/mids of the original kick drum you found and have the nice sub, only sine waves provide.
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